Kojima Secret Message in MGS4: 360 Laughing Stock of the Industry

MGS4 trolls 360, Insert Disc 2

MGS4 Insert Disc 2 Video: http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=516244

Further proof the Xbox 360 is the laughing stock of the video game industry.

296 Responses to “Kojima Secret Message in MGS4: 360 Laughing Stock of the Industry”

  1. PlayItBogart Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    I lol’d.

  2. So does Snake represent the general intelligence level of the average PS3 user? Too dumb to know how to swap a disc?

  3. Digital Rain Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Wait, so does this mean it will be coming out for 360 on multiple discs?

  4. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 4:20 pm

    lol! then again….the title really annoys me.

  5. hellman101 Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    I do not see how this is making fun of the 360. This is probably referencing back to the PS1, when the game had to be on 2 discs because the game couldn’t be put on 1 disc.

  6. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    This is like those Mac vs. PC ads, or the list of things you can do in GTA while waiting for your friends with the PS3 version to get it installed on their hard drives. Really immature, although I would hardly say it makes the 360 the laughingstock of the industry, especially because it has sold more than the PS3 (although the PS3 will probably end up selling more, Sony is more entrenched in the market than Microsoft). Are you sure Kojima made this? Because he has definitely said before that MGS4 is completely possible on the 360, and that it is not the quantum leap in graphics that everyone claims it to be.

  7. Microsoft is turning an actual profit off their console. They a laughing stock…all the way to the BANK!

  8. Once again SDF fails…

  9. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 8th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Hellman, that is a good explanation. I don’t see why someone like Kojima would make such an immature insult, so that is probably the reason.

  10. Also what a tounge-in-ass Blu-ray ad that was!
    Shame it’s not doing so great! tsk tsk!

  11. At least dvd has better loading times than blu-ray. PS2.5 still blows

    And changing a disc isn’t bad. Best games ever were on multiple discs. Baldur’s gate, Myst, Final Fantasy 7 etc. etc.

  12. I don’t mind changing discs. I’m not so lazy that I can’t lean slightly to my left and hit the EJECT button once every 10 hours.

    However, I will admit to laughing at that.

  13. Venemesis Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:00 am

    Way to take things out of context for the nth time.

    They’re talking about not having to swap discs like you had to for the PSX because the game is all on one disc now. The comment has nothing to do with the Xbox, making a joke about the Xbox would be shooting themselves in the foot as MGS2 was released on it. Duh.

  14. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:17 am

    I love the humour in MGS. It does seem like it’s talking about the PSX though.

    You guys remember that part in Ratchet & Clank that took a shot at the 360?

    @sixaxis – You make me sick.

    I don’t have a problem with changing discs, but I would prefer not to. I remember always having to take real good care of my cases for the FF games. Because one of the CDs could come loose and get scratched. We shouldn’t have to have games on multiple discs this generation. That’s the point of a next-gen system.

    @sixaxis – You still make me sick.

    I need to stay off the net for the next month as much as possible. I don’t wanna read anything about the game that will ruin any suprises. So stop it SDF!

    @sixaxis – You make me sick.

  15. xbotkiller Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Funny video.

    Even more funny are the damage control comments. What a load of common places… pathethic defense of a flaw that’s so evident. As evident as N64 cartridges!

    six1s, you are such a tool.

  16. xbotkiller Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Let’s see if the rumored Blu-Ray 360 comes true. It will be even more fun to see the knee-jerk reactions of the ones above :D

  17. Sorry Killer, it’s already been debunked.
    I love making PStools like you, Hans, and Paul/Stick get so worked up.
    Funny you should bring up the N64, as that was what the PS3 is to Sony. If the PS3 is doing so great then how come Sony has to rely on PS2 sales?

  18. @Sixaxis
    No one here gets as worked up as you. You’re not footing the bill to keep the 360 around so calm down kiddo.

  19. A blu-ray 360? My reaction would be: Meh.

  20. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 8:12 am

    @Stickemup

    What was the shot at 360 in R&C?

    @xbotkiller

    You’re Sony’s six1s. Enjoy.

  21. LOL, funny that it is, who said that it’s aimed at the 360?

    What ur forgetting is Bluray drives read at 2x speed, thus having to have the same data layered on top of each other to cut loading times. Look at Crysis for example, that easily fits onto a Dual Layer disc, and takes 6gb of PC space too. Yet MGS4 takes 50gb? Yea right.

    MGS4 could easily fit onto a Dual Layer disc, theres no doubt about it. So this dig isnt aimed at the 360 but the older Playstations where they were on 2 discs.

    Once again, SDF = Epic Phail

  22. Blu-ray on the 360? Nah, the 360 is a GAMING machine, not a Movie Player. Leave the movies to the PS3 while PS3 players wait another year for a game. Gives them something to do while they twiddle thier thumbs through bordom.

  23. I don’t know who this sixaxis guy is, but Paul seems fascinated with him.

  24. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am

    I clicked an ad and got a free Halo 3 edition. These accursed ads on your site have caused me to get one of the worst games of all time! Help! SDF is run by Micro$oft! Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

    @Stickemup

    I also am slightly convinced that you an alternate account of Paul. You laugh at whatever he says, no matter what it is.

    Have fun playing Resistance 1.02 and KillZone 1.5.

    By your logic I am now hilarious.

  25. Also, it would be kind of funny if 360 DID adopt Blu-ray. I say this because what is one of the first things that Sonyboys pull out of their ass in 360 vs. PS3 topics. “It has BLU-RAY!”, though I don’t see MS adopting it, as they’re actually doing quite well with what they’ve got! More space isn’t all that great if it’s slow to read.

  26. M$ could have the best of both worlds if they go blu-ray. The technology will progress enabling >2× speed, if it hasn’t already. Blu-ray is obviously the way forward, it’s unreasonable to swap discs for certain kinds of games like GTA.
    In the meantime, if printing data multiple times and installing to HD helps the gaming experience, who gives a toss?

  27. misuse of lasers Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Wow, Otacon is a dick.

  28. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    “Blu-ray is obviously the way forward, it’s unreasonable to swap discs for certain kinds of games like GTA.”

    GTA is on one disc for 360.

  29. I really really hope that Microsoft does NOT adopt Blu-Ray. Better to forge your own path than to follow the PS3.

  30. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:48 am

    @Ninsonysoft – If memory serves me right, it was two securtiy bots conversing, and one of them was bragging to the other one about his “online capabilities”, then the other one says something like, “yeah but you also have a 50% failure rate”.

  31. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:53 am

    @keri – They were trying to “forge” their own path, with HD-DVD. Which isn’t that much different from Blu-ray, aside from the speed and space. They lost, and their stubborn ways made a lot of consumers suffer, and held back the HD movie market as well.

    Suck it up. There’s nothing wrong with the 360 adapting Blu-ray. I dunno about you guys, but I prefer having a hard-copy of a game, I don’t like MS’ vision of the future.

  32. @Stickemup

    and they learned their lesson on trying to be a movie player rather than a game system now didn’t they when HD-DVD failed.

    And adopting of Blu-Ray could be the deal breaker for me further buying any more 360 games.

  33. #
    Paul Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am

    M$ could have the best of both worlds if they go blu-ray. The technology will progress enabling >2× speed, if it hasn’t already. Blu-ray is obviously the way forward, it’s unreasonable to swap discs for certain kinds of games like GTA.
    In the meantime, if printing data multiple times and installing to HD helps the gaming experience, who gives a toss?

    The problem isn’t that it helps the gaming experience, the fact is that without these lame patches (because they ARE lame), the gaming experience would SUFFER. Now, with install and multiple copies they can barely hold the edge against the 360 in loading.

    Imagine what will happen when the 360 is going to allow installs? The ps3 would lose the slight loading edge and become obviously slower.

    The irony being: if the 360 gets blu-ray it will most likely be 4X or faster, especially when used for games (doubtful, cause unnecessary). It will instantly give the xbox360 the edge on the strongest selling point of the ps3, instantly making it a ps2.5 (humor). Wouldn’t that be cool?

  34. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    @Stick

    Ah, thanks. Sorry about the bash in my other post, sore and tired after end of school and 2 parties. Trying to get last minute money so I have less of a debt to pay for if I get a PS3 in the next few days.

  35. ^^^You echoed my point but with bad English…Thanks for your approval though.

  36. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am

    @paul

    So “move onto 2x speed”

    On the 360 we’re on 12x reading speed.

    so why have installs and multiple data.

    Anyway Kojima imself said that the 360 is powerfull enough to play MGS4, the PS3 is only very slightly more powerfull than the 360 (the 360′s Xenos processor is actually capable of more than Cell)

    And the PS3 version only takes up 50GB as its uncompressed. The Cell processor cant read uncompressed data fast enough. And the 2x loading speed isnt fast enough to distribute the uncompressed data.

    The 360 version would be on 1 disk, as its compressed

  37. MS didn’t forge ahead with HD-DVD, they didn’t even try! They offered an addon for their console, a “Buy it, or don’t.” affair. Ah, the “bad spelling/Grammar card”, the “I’m all out of ammo! FUCK!” arguement.

  38. And remember how GTA 4 for the PS3 was gonna SKY ROCKET console sales? http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=190448
    Nyoro~n.

  39. I Wiip for Sony Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Oh, come on, you narrow-minded people. Having super-expensive technology that prevents you from having to get up every 3 hours to move a 2 oz. disc around is OBVIOUSLY worth every penny.

  40. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Gah, fanboyism. I honestly don’t care about HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray, I’m fine with either one.

    @six1s
    Fanboys will always claim that a big game will boost their console’s sales. Right now, PS3 fanboys are touting MGS4 as the Xbox killer. Last year, it was Xbox fanboys claiming that Halo 3 would sink the PS3. I can guarantee that later this year, the Xbox fanboys will be back at it again claiming that GoW2 will murder the PS3, and after that, PS3 fanboys will boast about how Killzone 2 will murder the 360. It’s a never ending cycle.

  41. Besides Wiip, most people don’t play a game 3 hours straight. When I play games it’s often stretches of 1 hour after which I play another. This means I’ve got to switch the disc regardless.

    Of all disc changes for owners with multi-disc games, the amount of in-game disc changes compared to game disc changes would amount to no more than a couple of %. Hardly worth paying 200€ over

  42. @Wiiping
    How about swapping discs every time you drive from one city to another in GTA? ah you’re right, it’s only 2oz, no worries.

    If you want HD movies you require more disc space, seems logical the same applies for HD games. Otherwise you end up with 15 minutes gameplay like in Gears of Bore.
    But none of this alters the fact that I’m awesome at GT5.

  43. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Paul is trying to be as good a troll as Hans, but he’s way too obvious. Try to be more subtle.

  44. This is no place for subtleties Window licker, arguing over plastic boxes is a no holds barred afair.

  45. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    I can see that. But please, window licker? Oh well, I guess you can’t make an insult out of a name that already is an insult.
    Hey guys, let’s talk about a different kind of war: the breakfast war. Pancakes vs. waffles. I myself prefer waffles, as it is common knowledge that pancakes are Satan’s favorite meal. Anyone?

  46. Ice cold kebab…invigorating!

  47. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Kebabs resemble dicks a little too closely for me, but hey, who am I to judge?

  48. Yours is a strangely shaped dick then, over here the traditional kebab resembles a small pillow. Shish kebabs are for light weights.

  49. rider of the short bus,
    Yup and all the while the Wii is snatching up franchises! Meaning exclusives like Fatal Frame 4, Tenchi 4(developed by Acquire!), and Monster Hunter 3.

  50. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    @six1s

    Funny fact about Monster Hunter 3. Remember when SDF said that when MH3 was confirmed for Wii that PS3 didn’t need last-gen games and needed new IPs, then they went on about KillZone 2 and MGS4? Good times.

  51. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    Ah. I often forget that you live in Europe. Where was it again? UK?

  52. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    @rider of the short bus

    Europe? Freakin Europe!??!!

    in the UK, we dispise being labelled as “europe”

    Europe is a collection of 52 countries. The term “europe” is a bit vauge.

    And with a name like paul where the fuck is he gonna be from? Isreal? Russia? Germany?

    Freakin idiot.

  53. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    http://www.ntscblog.com/images/fullsize/kebab.jpg if thats like your dick id see a doctor.

    We have to educate these colonials eh Paul?

  54. Venemesis Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Speaking of Blu-Rays and MGS4, a friend has been reading somewhere that not only do you have to wait for the inital install, but there’s also a waiting time of 3 or 4 minutes between each act for further installs.

    Can anyone confirm this?

  55. Venemesis Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
  56. Glowing Blue Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    FUCK XBOX 360 FANBOYS! DONT COME TO THIS SITE AND THATS IT, WE WONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR BULLSHIT COMPLAINING NO MORE YOU FUCKHEADS! GO GET UR CONSOLE FROM THE REPAIR SHOP MOTHERFUCKERS!

  57. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    @venemesis – Yeah, but you will be listening to conversations between the characters while it installs. Those initial 8 minutes of installation are going to feel like an eternity.

    Where does everybody reside? If you guys don’t mind me asking.

    Southern California here.

  58. Random frag Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    @Glowing Blue
    your way behind the times it all about the breakfest war now

    @rider of the short bus
    damn straight waffels are amazing

    o and we all know that america is the amazing dont deny it and we call people from across the pond europens cause there are 2many countries unless we know were u are from like u are a brit

  59. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    SDF shoulda reported on the world-record-breaking super-computer from IBM that uses the cell processor. Come on guys! Wake up!

    I wanna see some Wii reviews. I wanna know which games I should buy for the system. I just don’t trust any other site.

  60. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    America’s amazing at what exactly?

    It’s behind most of Europe technology-wise,

    America’s healthcare when rated against the world it comes number 27th.

    Cuba 1st France 2nd and UK 3rd

    We in the UK often have 100MB broadband as standard and it costs around $60 for a 100MB line.

    And America comes rather disapointingly in the World test scores.

    America sucks at every sports that other countries actually play. (only sports it does well are ones where only americans play, baseball, american football etc)

    And America hasnt invented many usefull things, or anything unaided by other countries.

    51% of your top scientists and engineers are foreign born.

    UK invented the computer. the jet engine. mass production. Faster than sound air travel. Germany invented the car.

    We have the best navy, the best airforce. the best trained troops, better equipment. (several American soldiers purchase British radios and machine guns from the Ministry of Defence.
    Should i carry on?

    @paul my respect for a fellow brit kicks in for you regardless of what console you own. regardless of your actions i find myself not hating you

    BTW i dont hate america or americans. i love the country and the people who live there.

  61. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm

    @Stickemup

    I live in Western Pennsylvania.

  62. @nextgenmexican

    Next time you need a bail out during the next war, kinda like the muslim invasion and knife controll you idiots have now. Don’t bother calling. We wont be home and our voicemail will be full. You should really look at your countrys sucking off of the pc police and muslims before you cast stones about the poeple who 2x in the past 100 years bailed your asses out. As far as a better Navy, not since WW1, the better Air Force show me your stealth fighters/bombers, and US buying weapons and such? its called plausible deniability. After all thats said and done, we havent invented much? I could dispute thie easily, but I see no point in shattering your little world and delusions, better to let you live happily in your fantasies. And for the final isult, we bow to NO MAN and lower our flag to NO ONE including Herr Hitler or your Queen.

    As far as an attack on the 360 in Mgs4 whatever. Between the load times and the cut scenes, you will have more time to think that you could actually be playing a game on your BLU-RAY player.

  63. Uk’ers are real good at taking the credit for other people’s stuff!

    UK did not invent the computer, it was the ancient Greeks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism and here’s your Jet Engine guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86gidius_Elling
    Mass production was invented in Venice, Italy.
    The German V2 missle achieved faster then sound flight before ya’ll as well.

    Speaking of German, that’s what you would be speaking, if it wasn’t for us saving your asses…twice.

  64. The only thing America is amazing at is starting wars then getting thier asses kicked. Which results in the British Army having to come in, save them, and clean up. Then the americans claim they won the war when it’s all said and done.

  65. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    @CDAT1AD The thing about your navy is it has more ships, our ships are better, and the crews better trained.

    And we didnt need bailing out during WW1 or WW2,

    WW1 the germans were just as tired as us, it was a stale-mate. might have ended in a cease-fire

    WW2 – We were doing fine, we had the best navy and airforce in the world, we had the empire.

    When our army in north africa met the germans, we hammered them. i seem to remember the retreating german army bumped into the newly arrived american forces, beat them. and carried on retreating from the British.

    We had smashed the german air force, Battle of Britain anyone? And Hitler was too scared to invade because of our navy and airforce.

    Its true that Hitler was seeking out a cease-fire with us. He was going to leave us out of his European war.

    And if anyone did save us, it was the Russians. The Russains killed off most of the German forces and were the first to push into Germany.

  66. Slimster, oh really?
    WWI and WWII would like a word with you.

  67. I Wiip for Sony Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    @nexgenmexican
    And yet, the U.S. is the most powerful. There’s other things to take into account.
    @Paul
    You’re horrible at GT5.

  68. Oh, not to mention the American Revolution and the War of 1812.

  69. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    YES NEXTGENMEXICAN, BECAUSE ALL ENGLISH PEOPLE LIVE IN ENGLAND, JUST LIKE ALL MEXICANS LIVE IN MEXICO, AND ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THEM HOP THE BORDER. I DON’T SEE WHY I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
    Also, I was thinking shish-kebab.

  70. oh, i forgot to mention. America are No.1 at something. America is recognised around the world as the worlds most stupidest nation. Americans are thick as shit.

  71. And yet you wouldn’t even be on the internet without us…funny!

  72. @ six1s,

    Dont know what they teach you in school, but it was the Brits who won both WW1 and WW2.

  73. Slimster,
    That’s not what history says.

  74. The brits invented the telephone, which the internet started from. So it’s half and half.

  75. No, american history doesnt say that cause they make it up to make out the americans won the wars. It was the brits who won it. Dont tell me, in ur american history books you won at vietnam as well.

  76. Funny, how all of your statements are historically fuzzy at best, flat out lies at worst.

  77. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    lolhijacked

  78. No we didn’t win Vietnam, but we did save your asses twice, and we kicked your asses twice.
    You can go ahead and pull the “Well your country was founded on the butchering on indigeonus peoples”, I’ve got that one covered.

  79. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    @Slimster

    In your British history books it says YOU won WW1 and WW2!

    TIME PARADOX THE TRUE WINNER IS INDUSTRY

  80. america pussied out and pretended there was no war till teh japs showed them who was boss. Then pretty much at the end of WW2 america decided to join, when all the hard work was done. Yet claimed victory, when victory was decided on D-Day when the brits sent the nazi’s packing.

  81. ROFL, when did u save the brits twice? I remember the brits saving the US at WW1, WW2, both Gulf War, and this stupid war which your gov. started out of greed, and masterminded the twin towers getting blown up to justify it.

  82. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    America is a great country that, in its day, was the most powerful in the world, but we Americans have since grown complacent and have been surpassed in several areas by several countries(notably China). It is still a great place to live though, in my opinion.

  83. Funny, I’m not finding ANYTHING that backs up what you’re saying, Slimster.

  84. Oh save for some conspiracy theory sites.
    But if that’s what your relying on…

  85. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    We were fighting France & Spain during the American war of Independence (also known as the civil war)

    France & Spain were world powers back then.

    we didnt have time to deal with a rag-tag bunch of terrorists that wanted some more freedoms.

    Its like America being at war with Russian & China at the same time,nd Iowa revolts and demands independence,

    Who you gonna devote your attention to?

  86. So that’s the best you got then?

  87. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Paul…
    I DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE FROM THE UK! PLEASE EVERYONE TAKE NOTE THAT NOT ALL UK PEOPLE ARE LIKE HIM!!!

    Only kidding matey…
    Where bouts you from

  88. Let’s not forget about these little contributions!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-lease
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyers_for_bases
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_loan <- probably the longest loan in recent history.

  89. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    AMERICA DID NOT WIN US WWII SIX1S!

    America simply used it as an excuse to set up base for a surprise attack on Japan after Pearl Harbour happened. Which they did with the A-Bombs.

    Hence the reason you lot didn’t come in until 1940′s. Even then it was half hearted.

    D-Day was an allied operation set up for times of drastic need. Hitler had started to move troops to the coast to invade the UK but the d-day landings pushed them back and defeated them. The americans focused on one area and one area only and that was Omaha beach as it would be a strongpoint for a base for themselves.

    In NO WAY did the US help the UK in WWII.

    In WWI, you were more helpful than italy were (well without the changing sides). You came in very late and did fuck all.

    So there we go. quick little history for you! Don’t believe your textbooks that you might read… listen to war veterans and their stories. When I was at school, I twice picked my teacher up on things that were not true.

    And for everybody’s info… nobody won Vietnam and nobody lost! You can blame the french for it as well!

  90. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    @nextgenmexican

    the civil war and the war of independence were two seperate things set at two different periods in history. Civil war was north vs south in the 19th century and the war of independence was America (obviously not the united states at the time) was in the 18th century

    Please don’t make that mistake in a history test!

  91. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    sorry america and UK*

  92. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    sorry… 13 british colonies…

  93. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    @the_chosen_one

    I think we pretty much blame the French for everything over here, don’t know if that’s the same everywhere else. Although I think pretty much everyone blames LBJ for Vietnam.

  94. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    so again, it was UK vs 13 colonies of britain

    it wasn’t called america until the decleration of independence…

    Sorry!

  95. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    @rider of the short bus

    you american or english?

    If english… we blame the french for everything. They let the immigrants through, they are better than us at rugby, they didnt fund the channel tunnel which put us in debt, there women are hot but hairy…

    the list goes on!

  96. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    I don’t think that this was what Hans was expecting to be the results of his trolling.

  97. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    type in “french military victories” into goole and press i’m feeling lucky

  98. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    @Slimster

    Okay, now you’re just being stupid.

    America joined the war in 1941. The war started 1939. The war ended in 1945. American joined at the end, of course.

    Didn’t Eisenhower, an AMERICAN general, create the D-Day scenario? Oh, he did.

    Nice getting this off-topic, guys. Was unexpected.

  99. “In NO WAY did the US help the UK in WWII.”
    Look up “Lend lease program” “destroyers for bases” and “Anglo-American loan”.

  100. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    @the_chosen_one

    That was just hilarious. Nice.

  101. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    lend lease… you do that now to the third world countries. Why do you need

    destroyers for bases… and that meant you helped us because… again it’s just an excuse to move troops and ships. Our navy was and is the best in the world…

    The Anglo-American loan was a post-Second World War loan made to the United Kingdom by the United States in 1946…. How did that help you help us win the war exactly. It was an excuseto get the money back to arm your own troops again. It didnt help you win us the way as we still had to pay it back…

    Come on six1s… I want PROPER proof! not some crap you learn wrongly from a text book in school… Ask some verterans their experiences in D-Day and I can guarantee the majority will mention they were at omaha. Because it was the best place to put a base. Come on, political crap isnt proof that you helped us…

    OK THEN!

    Who supplied the Reich with weapons in the first place???

    Oh yeah, britain and America after WWI for a means to defend themselves. They still did until germany became a super power again.

    So please please PLEASE go find proper proof or witness accounts instead of political crap. YOUR TROOPS DID NOT HELP US WIN THE WAR!

  102. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Idiots! In the end, were we fighting the british in WWII?! no? then STFU! All the bullshit about Americans all being ignorant is quite comparable to the people saying that being simply bigoted and just as ignorant, because most of you haven’t met many foreigners in your life! and even if you have, I’m fairly sure not all of them are stupid, not more or less than your own countries ratio. Fail! The same can be said about Americans saying dumbass shit without actually having the chance to meet most of the people they so loathe except for through some ethernet and cable wires! Especially since this is the internet, I’d doubt any of us use that many brain cells on here anyway, simply because we’re all sitting behind computer screens and not having a physical conversation like…I dunno…someone in the same room with you? Use your freaking brains, and shut up with the retarded comments that prove ab-so-LUTE-ly nothing!

  103. the_chosen_one,
    look UP those articles.
    Here I’ll even help! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-lease
    You try!

  104. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    And if you guys start some Boston Tea Party shit….

  105. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:54 pm

    @CDAT1AD

    Right, i am not on my own over here for a start who is agrees with this.

    I do not aggre with knife crime

    I am NOT Political Correct and never will be… I call a black man a black man and a white man a white man and will make no changes to that. I call the chairman the chairman and my manager my manager. Why shoulc I have to change just because some terrorists have forced immigrants over here

    The doors should be 100% shut on immigration and do what australia does and have the points system. We have one in place now sort of but the immigrants who were here before it came in, it doesn’t apply to.

    This country is a run down place thanks to 2 scots in charge at number 10. Blair and Brown. Both have run this country down into the ground and it has had a knock on effect in other countries. When this economy started to crumble, what happened in America… There was talk of a recession and what will Obama/McCain (hehe… go put him in the oven) have to face right away… A recession.

    I see the BNP as racist twats who need to go fuck themselves

    So don’t you tar every brit with the same brush.

    To recap, i am Non PC, for closed door immigration and for a republic.

  106. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
  107. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Love Jimmy Kimmel

  108. the_chosen_one Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    six1s… I did. hence why I know what they were on about. Lend lease was to give us military supplies (guns, tanks etc). But what does that make any difference to what you did in iraq and afghansitan by giving them weapons. Have you never read the book about Viktor Bout? It explains it all in there. It is an excuse to loan weapons at ridiculous prices to promote a chance of war. Basically what you lot are doing to the third world… Sudan, your fault by loaning them weapons. Iraq… Who gave Iraq it’s first nuclear missle eh!?! You loaned it to Mr Hussein for an astronomical sum of money. If you put all the nuclear missles in the world next to each other, I could assure the majority of them were made in USA. Now tell me that it has won them countries their wars!

    the anglo-american loan was also an excuse to get you lot over the water to become a “super power”. No more no less. You lot feared britain and the comonwealth long before the war. What better way to have a huge debt hanging around their neck!!!!

    Go figure my friend. America winning the war was not all it was built up to be

    And I notice you didnt mention the last two links… Probably because I was right

  109. Holy Hell! What happened here?
    I don’t know what game you guys are talking about but it sounds fucking epic! This is definitely gonna require blu-ray.

  110. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Good old Paul will get this train back on the tracks

  111. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    @everybody – When the f*ck did this happen? I just posted like 2 hours ago, talkin about the super-computer that broke the world-record that uses the cell-processor.

    Then I get on and the console war turned into a war between countries???

    I skimmed through it a lil’, but what the hell?

    I’m gonna throw this out there to get us back on track.

    Ignorant Stickemup Says:

    Da 360 suks, it’s only games are Gears of Boar, Halo 2.5 and Bioshock (haHaHah it’s on it way to the PS3, we told u so!) Go stare at your RROD you xbots!!! PS3 PWNS! Lair deserves at least 8′s and 9′s, you guyz just never played it. The sixaxis is way better than the Wii-mote. Just wait for games like God of War 3, Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, LBP, GT5, Socom, Killzone 2 and Resistance 2! You guyz should be shaking in your boots!

    Haze is better than COD4. It’s a fact.

    Let’s continue.

  112. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    Don’t guys ever get smart on me again. I wanna read pure hilarious ignorance when I come here.

  113. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    For the sake of the arguement…
    LOL STUPID PS3 FANBOY MY DAD WORKS AT MICROSOFT AND SAYS THAT MGS4 IS BEING PORTED TOO THE 360. HE LET ME PLAY THE MGS5 DEMO TOO AND ITS ONLY FOR THE 360! LOOSER GUESS YOU ARE REGRETTING THAT PS3 RIGHT NOW HUH. ALSO FF13 IS CANCELLED FOR THE STUPID PS3 AND IS GOING TO 360 MY DAD TOLD ME.

  114. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    Whoa…being stupidly fanatic about a plastic box is addicting…I just had a whiff of ambrosia, and am unsure if I will ever be able to return to the cold, forbidding water of reason…

  115. rider,
    YEAH?! WELL MY DAD SAID I COULD SELL POOP TUBE!

  116. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    This has to continue.

    LOL FOOLISH CONSOLE NOOBS PC GAMERS ARE THE BEST WE HAVE CRYSIS AND CRYSIS WARHEAD AND STARCRAFT AND WOW AND ENEMY TERRITORY NOOBS YOU GUYS HAVE GEARS OF BORE AND KILLCRAP FOR THE FAILSTATION 3 AND XBOT 360 PC GAMING IS SUPERIOR WE HAVE MODS AND STUFF EAT IT CONSOLE R-TARDS LOLOLOL

  117. SDF, your moma is the laughing stock

  118. Who doesn’t love Sony? Ready at Dawn, that’s who! http://kotaku.com/5014837/ready-at-dawn-is-serious-about-dropping-the-psp

  119. Stickemup Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    @rider – Thanks, welcome back.

    History books are for idiots.

  120. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    @Stickemup

    >.>

    <.<

    no u

  121. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    i playd teh pstwee and it god the code of death and frozed and the installs taek liek fyve howur u guyz need tu see the amsumnicitry of the 360 and wee and ennsixtee for teh ps3 liek make poopoo stains on my carpet screw u fanbois basterd 360 n ennsictyfor fur lyfe lololololol soi soi soi soi
    btw mgs sux balllz i pleyd it i like the gaem is bad teh grafix r bad n teh shytee gaemplay like plehs lyke bulshit u all idiuts i r match u r matchbox SDF = forest we make flaem whar

    tihs took 4ever 2 rite. i mastur. but u al ghet pwnded sukc it.

  122. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    ALL PEES3 FANBOYS NEED TO GROW UP AND GET A LIFE UR ON THE LOSIN SIDE MY DAD WHO WORKS FOR MICROSOFT SAID THAT GTA5WILL ONLY BE ON THE 360 LOL YOU GUSY MISS OUT OH AND THEY FIXED THE RROD SO WELL NOW THAT PEES3S GET RROD NOT 360S U GUSY R PRETTY DUMB HUH LOL

  123. Wow, Slimster is like to history as Hans is to video games consoles. Has to completely make up complete and total bullshit to support his obviously and completely erroneous claims.

    But backing away from that bullshit, lets wallow back into the bullshit this site was designed for.

    Anyways, it would be completely idiotic for the 360 to try and support Blu-Ray. I really think they learned their lesson in trying to get into the movie gig with HD-DVD. Involving themselves with Blu-Ray would be making the same mistake all over again.

  124. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
  125. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    erik, that analogy is a bit wrong. Hans is a troll, he knows that he is bullshitting facts and does it with the intent to incite ferocious arguements between stupid fanboys. He does it pretty damn well.

  126. And Slimster doesn’t know that he is bullshitting the facts? How could he not?

  127. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Don’t know. He’s stupid?

  128. @Escape – You nailed it buddy. A little too good… :)

    Where ColdYellow @?

  129. http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_zbw_vg_videogames_more?&pf_rd_p=304529601&pf_rd_s=right-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=468642&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0YCWABNC040YE6D7XXBF

    Metal Gear Solid 4 is raping every game in the charts and is on FIRE!!!11 @ the number one slot.

    Ha ha ha

    Ninja Gaiden 2 is at 18 and the Xbocks 3sssstitty is at 47.

    LMFAO

    It begins.

  130. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 9th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    @Hans

    The next PS3 accessory is at 11, the numbers between 11 and 1 are Nintendo products. Who wins in the end?

    Not McCain if we want to still be classified as a country and not a barbaric tribe! Zing!

  131. @Stickemup

    I’m from Manchester, UK but my fiance is American so I don’t care to argue about the differences between our countries. :]

    I just thought the point of both the cell and the blu-ray was to completly abolish these install and load times.

  132. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 2:51 am

    By the way the American war of Independence was technically a Civil war.

    British Colonists vs British People.

    British fighting British.

    Then your civil war was Americans fighting Americans

  133. ROFLCOPTER Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 3:08 am

    Seriously guys.

    SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP

    Stop acting as if whose country is better and stop behaving like three year olds. Get back to bashing the PS3 and saying the 360 is awsome.

    Oh and Paul? Your comment about the argument was pure lulz.

    PS3+360=EPIC WIN

  134. Thanks SDF, I was looking forward to buying this game, but judgeing by this screenshot its complete shit :(

  135. O, and just as a side note… I love how no PS3 Fanboy thus far has even goten their facts right… about anything. Its kind of hard to argue, when even the point your trying to make is full of shit.

  136. Just as an example, I dare any of you to give a 1/2 decent comparison of the 360 vs. PS3 hardware wise, and then try and explain to me why Blu-Ray is necisary for games? And if you can truthfuly do these things you will relize that being a fanboy is just stupid.

  137. nextgenmexican,
    We were calling ourselves Americans when we declared war on your tea sipping asses.
    War of 1812 =/= Civil war dumbass!

  138. Oh and since the SDF LOVES shoving bundles in people’s faces. http://kotaku.com/5014910/a-look-at-the-tales-of-vesperia-360-bundle

  139. xbox360FTW Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 6:43 am

    POS3 fanboys have a combined I.Q. of 3. Have fun with your MGS4 CGI movie…. I mean game.

    Ready at Dawn thinks the same way.

    Also, isn’t it funny that most games developed for the 360 and POS3 have the 360 version either shipping first or waiting for the POS3 version (since it’s such a pain in the ass to deal with)!?

    All of you should take a long walk off a short pier!

  140. I’m worried about the sanity of PS3 players when Bioshock is released for their system. Most of the game’s backstory is told through audio recordings your character finds on tape players rather than through half hour long CGI fests that the PS3ers are accustomed to.

  141. I am LOVING all the news about all of these jrpgs going to the 360! Established previously Sony-only games are among them! To me it’s like they rubbed down every Sonyboy’s ass crack with steel wool, removed the anus with pliars, then rubbed paprika, salt, and rubbing alcohol into the wound. FanTAStic!
    For those wondering what I’m talking about go check out “Kotaku”, “N4G”, and even “PS3Forums”!

  142. Binboy’s back and angry as ever! What he needs is a nice shiney new Ps3.

    @Keri
    The old cassette players were used because they were befitting for the 360′s not-so-hardware. On the Ps3 version the character finds beautiful holographic imagery, accompanied by 7.1 true lossless 1080p sound.

  143. @Paul

    Right, so befitting of the PS3 users not-so-high intelligence. Gotcha.

    “Derp derp, pretty movin pictures keep my ADHD and extra chromosoned brain focused!”

  144. @keri – You called MGS3 a classic. And everyone who has reviewed MGS4 says it’s the best game in the series by far. So how do you bash MGS4?

    Anyway, can’t wait for tomorrow nite. I’ve been waiting to get my hands on MGS4 again.

  145. @Stickemup

    How do I bash MGS4? Quite easily actually. Its quite obvious that Kojima has been corrupted by the all glitz no substance that is the credo of PS3 game design. And from what I hear its a CG shitfest. That link you showed of Kojima playing the first fifteen minutes of the game showcased that fact. I could almost hear Kojima thinking, “Damnit, just let me PLAY the damn game already!”

    So instead of paying $60 for the game (as well as another, $400+ for the system), I’ll just go to the video store and pick up a pre-watched Pixar movie for like $5. To those keeping up that is a savings of around $455.

  146. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am

    Wow, that 360 bundle releases on my birthday

    @Stickemup

    I was actually trying to copy the mental retardation that is master chief in the master chief and arby episodes, lol. Did anybody realize that the PSP is like a mini PS1-PS2 and the DS is a N64?
    Since the arguments are retarded a lot of the time I’ve resorted to talking about random stuff.

    @erik

    no, he’s simply telling the story through alternate means, some games tell their story as you walk through the game, which fails quite a bit sometimes because people are still focused on the game as the characters speak, while kojima is essentially making sure the end of MGS4 is chronicled in such a way that people can easily understand and digest it’s because a cut scene, granted they let you skip it simply because some people aren’t interested in the story, and if that be the case, the game has plenty of gameplay that goes beyond simply cut scenes and whatever you’d like to call it. If it was a movie, they’d call it a movie. But it’s a game, take it or leave it, MGS4 will be a good game, it’s not about sales, or fanboyism, truth be told, you can’t hate on a game for finishing its story well, having new and tweaked gameplay which better suits the game, and some good graphics, though granted they aren’t the best, but not bad by any means, quite good actually.

    This might have come out a bit confusing, sorry i’ll clarify later if anyone misunderstands what I say.

  147. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 10:32 am

    @six1s

    actually you considered yourself British but were revolting against the taxes you had to pay.

    People still thought of themselves as british.

    The Term American was thought of after we let you have America

  148. Random frag Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    yea let us have it ok

  149. “The term America, for the lands of the western hemisphere, was coined in the early 16th century after Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian explorer and cartographer. The full name of the country was first used officially in the Declaration of Independence, which was the “unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America” adopted by the “Representatives of the united States of America” on July 4, 1776.[3] The current name was finalized on November 15, 1777, when the Second Continental Congress adopted the Articles of Confederation, the first of which states, “The Stile of this Confederacy shall be ‘The United States of America.’” Common short forms and abbreviations of the United States of America include the United States, the U.S., the U.S.A., and America.”

    That declaration predates the war itself.

  150. You’re as pathetic as every Sonyboy put together Nextgen. I can find documentation to back up what I have to say!

    Anyway, what I came to post is how every PS3 fanboy message board is ablaze with crying foul over the recent rpg announcments!

  151. Oh here’s a sad Sonyboy finally realizing just how “Great” Sony is.
    http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=927750&topic=43587093

    “So many faults that are hard to ignore. I love my PS3 don’t get me wrong. Although it seems like every time I read the news Sony does something dumb. let me list the annoying cons that IMO bug me.

    -Out of date Online/Firmware service: I mean why are these features coming soo late?

    -Devs. forcing installs when they should be optional: I have a game console because I hate PC.

    -No rumble because its the past: Now they bring it back for $5 more?

    -Lost of many exclusives: DMC4, GTA4, even JRPG’s are coming to 360 first if only.

    -SUPER EXPENSIVE: Yeah, I like Blu-ray but i paid for it even if I didnt want it.

    -Promises and useless ideas: Too many delays/Qore – I have to pay for ads now?

    -Home: Where the hell is it?

    -Multiplatform games look worse on PS3: Orangebox is just one of them.

    -1080p: on selected titles? I thought they said 1080p was a big deal. Most games only do 720p.

    I know this sounds anti Sony but I am not. I am just sadden by Sony’s BSing. Can you guys see where I am coming from?”

  152. @Six1s

    Good speech on both posts. the first one is very true. Teh second one is fancinating, lol.

  153. You still all on about the War? You all like old men who just cant let it go. Give it up already.

  154. I got bored, and tried by hand at flooding. It’s alot more annoying then normal trolling. Plus like it’s an eyesore!

  155. @sixaxis – Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Now we know you’re 12. You still make me sick.

    @Escape – Yeah I noticed that too. They are both so different too.

    The thing about the graphics not being the best, I agree with you. They look damn good, but not Killzone 2 or Crysis good. But for some reason, a bunch of the reviews I read for it claimed that it has the best graphics this generation has seen. Who knows?

    When I played it, it looked great, but I’m sure it’s looking even better now.

  156. Killzone 2 isnt even close to Crysis in terms of graphics. TBH, Killzone 2 doesnt even look that great tbh, COD4 looks miles better. Look at teh vids on gametrailers.com for proof.

  157. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    All these spam posts look so weird then scrolling down fast

  158. Great posts, they are all great reads. But one thing i must object about, the cake never lies. My cherry bakewell told me so, and my custard slice confirmed it.

  159. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins It begins IZzzzz…

  160. Trivium300 Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    yes microsoft in a discrace to the industry i completely agree

  161. Self proclaimed veteran games industry marketer, Bruce Everiss, believes Sony’s GPU is holding back the console and that it has made it a less powerful gaming machine than the Xbox 360. Everiss uses a quote from Richard Huddy of ATI to back up the claim: “I think Xbox 360 technology is likely to outperform PlayStation 3 technology by a pretty healthy margin in the long run.” It looks like the GPU is holding the PS3 back.”

    Quote:

    For the PS3 Sony wanted to have a technology advantage so they developed, in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM, the Cell processor. A clean sheet design with many innovations this took $400 million and four years to develop. The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn’t up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU. This gave them a number of disadvantages:

    * It wasn’t designed or optimised as a console GPU. It was designed and optimised as a PC GPU.
    * The whole architecture of the console was compromised by the last minute change.
    * The 7800GTX has less raw processing power than the Microsoft Xbox 360 GPU.

    Source = http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=28385

    So the truth unravels, the PS3 is no more powerful than the 360, if anything it’s worse than the 360. What good is the bluray and Cell if the rest isnt a patch on the 360?

    As SDF would call it if the shoe was on the other foot, the PS3 is in fact a PS2.5

  162. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Loltrivium, probably one of the few people who take this site seriously.

  163. Must have been great shelling out all that cash for a PS2 with a built in Bluray player.

  164. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Wait Hans, I don’t think you were clear.
    Has it begun?

  165. @Fatster
    So…..the Ps3 is actually a Ps2, yet it has better graphics than the 360 (Uncharted-no contest)
    The original xbox had better graphics than the Ps2
    So all the 360 brings to the table is worse graphics than its predecessor and record breaking unreliability.

  166. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    Xbox 360 and PS3 graphics are comparable, there is little or no difference between them. Neither console has the power to blow the other one out of the water in the graphics department.

    @paul
    The 360 brings its online play and its controller that is better suited to fps.

  167. LOL @ Paul the Peado

    Uncharted looks good, but not exactly the best looking games ever. theres loads of games that look alot better than that, even Wii games look better than it.

    Love how u get on the defensive cause the PS3 has been exposed, just like the emotion engine had too. Remember that? the all powerful emotion engine just turned out to be a run of the mill 333mhz processor. EPIC FAIL

  168. @Window licker
    The most fun experience I’ve had online between XBL and PSN has been resistance, 40 players lag free and free.

    @Fatster
    Wii games look better than Uncharted! you sure? I played the golf game on my niece’s Wii and the dude had no arms.

  169. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    tbh paul, Huxley looks like it will kick the crap out of resistance, although resistance 2 looks pretty good. And honestly, how much XBL have you REALLY played?

  170. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    @Window licker

    Your nickname is a disgrace to Paul. No dessert and go straight to your room after supper, young man!

  171. I owned a 360 for a year though repairs meant I was actually in possession of one for 10 months. Looking back Gears and Halo were dull in comparison to resistance (online). Resistance reminds me of the time I loaned a laptop with Quake3 arena on it, bodies and bullets flying all over the place, nice short life expectancy…total blast!

  172. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Huh. I must be really lucky, because my xbox has yet to RROD after 2 years of playing. In my experience Gears was fun online but often degraded into a shotgun festival, which kind of eliminated the need for a cover system. The best multiplayer game I have ever played would have to be CoD4, a multiplat.

  173. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    @stickemup

    ColdYellow got his arm sliced off by a cyborg ninja and had a replacement arm attached and now its taking over his mind; enter InfraredChimera.

  174. I didn’t get the RROD either, I got a blank screen, then an unopenable disc tray.
    COD 4′s good but ever since Quake3 I’ve wanted a similar style and pace of gameplay. Resistance comes close, if it had mouse support I’d be in heaven.

  175. Random frag Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    com on paul u mean that u havent played cod4 o your bluray comment FUNNY i did not expect that

  176. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 10th, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    I’m still looking forward to Gears 2, and I will probably try to pick up a cheap PS3 somewhere to enjoy MGS4, GT5 and Resistance 2. I don’t know a lot about LBP, I’ll need to read up on that some more. The one PS3 exclusive I couldn’t give two shits about is Killzone 2. That game looks like a watered down COD4 clone. Its main claim is graphics, and it isn’t even in the same league as games like Crysis. Hell, RE5 looks better than it.

  177. Had COD 4 on 360, haven’t bothered getting it for Ps3. What bluray comment?

  178. Oh last night. Yeah funny’s quite out of character for me, thx for noticing.

  179. @Escapethefate

    Its Kojima’s series and he can tell the story in any way he wants. Even through the 99% movie 1% awful gameplay that he has chosen to go with.

    But contrary to your belief I can choose to hate the way he has chosen to end this story. It was going so well, all the way from the original version and up until MGS3. Then the very last game, and he drops the ball.

    And it was such a good run to. Oh well, MGS3 still rocks.

  180. Paul, I have a question. How does it feel to be defensive of a corporation that does not give a crap about you? To be defensive of such a company is the equivalent of siding with Pepsi over Coca Cola. It’s pretty lame don’t you think?

    To be a true gamer, are you not supposed to be supportive of a system that is doing really well in the market such as the Wii and X360? You’re supporting a corporation, not the PS3 on it’s stand alone merits, it’s kind of nauseating.

  181. @rider of the short bus

    I think I’m one of the few people who really, really disliked RE4. The REmake for the Gamecube was far by the best Resident Evil I’ve ever played and RE4 was a total deviation from the series, I don’t know if RE5 will make it up to me, but from what I’ve heard, it’s going to be like RE4. :/

  182. @Paul: the ps2.5 version of CoD4 isn’t as good as the 360 version, by a landslide.

  183. Am i on the right site this morning?

    Paul is actually talking sense, rather than spouting complete, yet funny, shit.

    MGS4 got 9.9 over on IGN btw, which is very good. One day, like 2 years when they are $100, and i do eventually get a PS3 it will be one of the first games i play.

  184. nextgenmexican Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 12:48 am

    @venemesis

    I thought RE4 was the best ever resident evil game i’ve ever played.

    And have you guys seen the changes they have made to RE5 since they released that first trailer and screens?

    Looks even more realistic. and they’ve opted for big open surounding instead of pure cramped corridors.

  185. @ColdYell..err Chimera? – Is that you? Did keri steal your username?

    Blah…Blah…Blah…MGS4 tomorrow nite

    That’s all that matters. I could give a rat’s a** about Sony or M$ right now. All I want is to play MGS4.

  186. @Venemesis
    I hate M$ because of the defective shit they sold, and the 8 weeks combined that I spent waiting for 2 shoddy refurbs, when surely I should have received new replacements like you would for any other product. Actually I hated them less after I off-loaded my 3rd in favour of a Ps3 cuz I probably wouldn’t have owned 2 consoles, and let’s face it the Ps3′s vastly superior.

  187. Venemesis has got a very good point. Why are people defending the companies who made the consoles?

    Had the Xbox 360 been made by Sony, would the Sony fanboys have bought it and proclaimed it the best thing since sliced bread regardless of it’s inital problems at the start of it’s life? Yes.

    Had Microsoft made the PS3, would the Sony fanboys be mocking it the same as the so called Xbots do? Yes.

    2 years on almost, and do PS3 players still think that the Bluray was a needed feature, or just a forced upon extra? I still think it was. Think of how much cheaper the PS3 could have been if it just stuck to dual layer discs and had the Bluray as an addon. TBH, the bluray would have sunk like the HD DVD did had it been, truthfully it was really only ever intended for movies and not really required for gaming.

    Leaving the past efforts behind and focusing on the present, the PS3 still has done nothing to prove itself as the top dog of this console generation like the PS1 and PS2 did. The Xbox keeps out witting it in every department that matters, online play, price, gaming.

    Even Six1s summed it all up in an earlier post in this thread. So why do Sony Fanboys keep defending the undefendable like they personally own Sony themselves?

    As Venemesis said, a true gamer will buy the console that has the best to offer, and still at present the Xbox is by far in front.

  188. @nextgenmexican

    So people keep telling me! It’s horrible, it really is. It’s a completly different experience from playing the previous games, I’m a massive fan of them. I’ve been told that if RE4 wasn’t related to the series as a stand alone then maybe I may enjoy it. But I never did, even thinking that way.

    I want the old ways of Umbrella and such, I want to be involed in the storyline not deviate away from it like Silent Hill 2.

  189. Hmmmmmm, the way i see it

    PS3 needs several minutes (don’t know exacts so i wont give a figure) to install a game to the hard drive.
    The time it would take to swap DVD’s (collectively) would be far less in my honest opinion.

    For one brand to nit-pick and try to point out the flaws of its opposition shows weakness, drawing attention away from their own failures. Ironic how Microsoft don’t smear the PS3, isn’t it?

  190. But it’s typical that majority of people here are fearful xbots.

  191. @Samsonj – Ummm, no it’s not, and yes, they do.

  192. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 9:29 am

    I liked RE4, but I was talking solely about graphics, and how PS3 fanboys are hyping the crap out of Killzone 2. I don’t know much about the gameplay, so it could be awesome for all I know, but from what I’ve seen so far it looks like it plays like a watered-down CoD4 clone. Fanboys have been hyping it for its graphics alone, and it can’t compare with games like Crysis, and even the graphics of RE5 look better than KZ2. I prefer gameplay over graphics. MGS4 looks amazing right now, and I really want a PS3 to play it.

  193. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 9:35 am

    lol samsonj,

    Microsoft smears PS3 all the time. Just like that one ad that was a list of things you can do in GTA while waiting for your friends with a PS3 version to install in on their hard drives. Smear ads are all over the place.

  194. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Everyone, look at this:

    http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=926596&topic=43601674

    You may now shed tears.. Glorious, glorious tears of joy.

  195. OK, enough’s enough, by now we all know that the Ps3′s vastly superior in every way. What I want to know now is: Am I the only one here who thinks GTAIV is a total let down?
    With all the others I couldn’t wait to hit ‘new game’ just as soon as the credits finished rolling. It’s been about 3 weeks since I finished this one and though I have started another game, I have little desire to finish it, mostly because the new driving style is no fun.
    And this is coming from a Ps3er! who has the definitive version of the game.

  196. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    @Paul

    Sadly, I agree with you. Blowing up cars over and over again is not fun. The multiplayer sucks except for playing with friends. The most I did in singleplayer after beating it was jumping out of an Infernus at max speed to see the ragdoll. Sigh.

  197. @Paul – I feel the same, but I wasn’t a huge GTA fan to begin with. The driving does suck though. Might be more realistic, but not what I wanted in GTA4.

    I know that Rockstar did an awesome job on the game, but I really don’t think it deserves GotY. And I’m pretty sure it will get it just about everywhere.

  198. “OK, enough’s enough, by now we all know that the Ps3’s vastly superior in every way.”

    Actually no. If anything this site is a compendium of how the PS3 isn’t superior to jack shit.

  199. Not quite the backlash I was expecting.
    I’m even considering trading it towards MGS4 while it’s still at top dollar. Maybe possibly almost considering trading it anyway.
    Big night Stickemup! If you plan on joining the midnight queue that is…Hope your most anticipated game makes you happier than mine did.

  200. Random frag Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

    quick q was there a 1hour cut scene in the first msg my buddy was tellin me that and i just wanted to know if it was true

  201. WildFire15 Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    why queue when you can order it online? got my copy of MGS4 today.
    Been thinking of getting GTA4, but now I think I’ll not bother, what with MGS4 now in my hands and Brawl finally making it’s European appearence later this month. That and going to uni later this year, so will need money

  202. Now the dust has settled with GTA4, i think it’s fair to say (which both PS3 players and 360 players would both agree on too) is that GTA4 is pretty shit compared to how awesome it could have been.

    Not a chance in hell would i have given it a perfect 10 like 90% of the credable gaming sites around the net did. Around a 8 or 9 would have been more realistic.

    Since i completed it 2 days after it’s release, i havent even bothered to put it back on. And im pretty sure im not the only person not to either.

    GTA4 is not a patch on San Andreas which in my view is THE best GTA game so far.

    The GOTY title still belongs to COD4 unless Battlefield: Bad Company dethrones it.

  203. @ Pauly Peado

    No backlash on your ‘PS3 is the superior console’ cause we have all come to the realistic conclusion that it’s not even close to being the ‘superior’ console this time round. The PS1 and PS2 might have been, but the PS3 isnt so whats the point arguing when we all know th truth? This Gen belongs to the 360.

    Maybe in the next gen the PS4 might reign supreme.

  204. WildFire
    I’ll trade you my GTA4 for your MGS4, you finished it yet?

    @Fatster
    And maybe when I get a 720 it’ll last more than 4 months.

  205. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Well, just got a PS3 and MGS4 is already paid for, just awaiting purchase at midnight. The PS3 is shiny. That is all.

  206. @Paul

    Actually a 360 would generally last longer than 4 months. Defects are much rarer in the new models of the system.

  207. @Paul

    You say your mad at the defective X Box, but, were you ever mad with Disc Read Error on PS2? I have had one 360 yet this is PS2 number four for me, due to disk read error. Though NOW it has a good system for replacement, at first, there was nothing.

    If a system’s good, you’ll forgive it’s system failings. Which is why neither of the three consoles are going away for quite a bit.

    Each has things to offer, like it’s been said earlier, game to game. I’ve played all of em, so far (that is SO FAR Disgaea 3 and BluBlazer could change it for me) the 360 is more my tastes. Doesn’t mean my roommate’s an idjit for havin a PS3. THOUGH he is having HD problems.

    But regardless, defend games you play, not really systems. I mean, that’s what you really play right? And for now, Xbox has what I wanna play. Will it remain that? Probably not.

  208. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Know whats really fucked up about this console cycle? Its that all 3 consoles all offer totally different experiences:
    Wii- The social console that (almost) everyone loves.
    PS3- The machine with a little something for everyone.
    360- the hardcore gamers rig.

    So its a win win situation for gamers this time around.
    BTW why are fanboys are idiots that are so hell bent on the “destruction” of a certain console that would actually hurt our beloved hobby in a whole is one was to be discontinued.

  209. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    PS3 fans and xbox 360 fans should be grateful for the opposite console. A monopoly means that a company doesn’t have to do shit to improve their console, because they know everyone will buy it anyway. At least with the competition they have to constantly strive to make their console more attractive to consumers.

  210. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    UPDATE: A speck of dust hit my PS3 and it malfunctioned. 100% failure rate alert! It warned me in the instruction booklet BUT IT WAS TOO LATE.

  211. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    @rider

    Remember what happened to Nintendo back in the 80′s? They got fined by the FTC for almost having a monopoly on the market. Hell 3rd party publishers could only release 2 games a year, couldn’t develop on any other console, had to have the “seal of quality”, and nintendo also made the cartridges as well.
    So would anyone really like that type of control by one company? I don’t think anyone would at all.

  212. @Paul – Thanks bud, anxiously waiting to get in line at Gamestop. Still got about 4 hours to go, can’t believe it’s actually here.

    I still remember when I saw the first trailer on the OPM demo disc. I was drooling over that sucker, I have no idea how many times I watched it.

    @Slimster – I think everyone got blinded by the hype and their WANTING to love GTA4. There was no way they would give it what it truly deserves.

    Had the same effect on me, I thought it was great the first few days, but now I play it maybe once or twice a week. I swear, I’m still on the part where Niko’s cousin gets kidnapped and you have to help hijack the van full of TVs.

    Everytime I pick it up, I end up doing something stupid, and it leads to more stupid stuff, and all of a sudden, I’m being chased and I blow up or get killed. Then I throw on something else.

  213. I’ve never been this hyped-up over a game. It’s crazy.

    It almost feels like the release of a new console. Like it or not, there is no game out there that delivers what MGS4 does.

    It’s like having a blockbuster movie release in your own home, that you can actually play through. Complain all you want, but the cut-scenes are part of Metal Gear, and are part of what makes it so damn special.

    @Paul – Hold down the fort. I’ll keep making my daily rounds, but not as often. I’ll drop by to see what you guys think of the game.

    Peace!

  214. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    I’ll burn down the fort if Paul’s in charge.

  215. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    Paul will beat you to it.

  216. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 11th, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Yup Paul would burn down his own fort and call it a victory in itself.

  217. THIS IS MY FORT!!1!!111
    LOL @ last 3, actually I’ll prolly stay away for a few years too. Keri was dead on with my awesome case of ADHD 1080p. It’s gonna take millions of playthroughs for me to get to grips with a story-heavy game…bonus!
    This place will once again be populated entirely by jealous xboxers, as I’m sure SDF intended.

  218. xbox360FTW Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 5:47 am

    “As SDF would call it if the shoe was on the other foot, the PS3 is in fact a PS2.5″

    I LOVE IT!! POS2.5! Excellent. See, further proof that the POS3 was designed as a flu-ray player first, game console second! Sony continues to screw you idiots up the A$$ and you continue the useless fanboy parade. Wii kicks $ony ass in Japan, the 360 kicks $ony ass in US. Europe is even, for now. I see Europe waking up to the fact MGS4 is a movie, not a game. Then the floor will drop and $ony sales drop well below the 360. Can you say forced price drop for Xmas?! No matter, 360 will drop price before hand, further separating itself from the POS3.

    Sony gets the bronze this time, although it really should get a bag of shit on fire!

  219. @ Paul,

    Jealous Xboxers? Jealous of what exactly? The fact that the PS3 plays films cause thats the ONLY thing that makes the PS3 stand out against the 360. Yet everything that is important ie. GAMING is much better done on the 360. Even the Wii is better for gaming than the PS3.

    It’s the POS’3 Fanboys who are jealous, jealous that the PS3 isnt in the same league as the 360. The PS1 and PS2 might have been the dominant console, but the PS3 is sitting comfortably in 3rd place this time around, and Sony has made so many fuck up’s with it that i doubt it will really change. Thats what happens when you sit on ur luarels and hope that people will just by it cause of brand name and broken promises while the others move forward.

  220. @Slimster – Oh cut it out, the PS3 is catching up and you know it :)

    It’s a weird situation. If you and I were racing. But you had a 16-minute head-start, and while I trailed at first, I slowly started catching up, and I am running faster than you at the moment, plus the race doesn’t have a clear finish line, in fact, if I keep up with this pace, it’s clear that I will beat you, am I still in third-place?

    Yeah, but it’s a weird situation.

    (Oh yeah plus I’m carrying an extra 100lbs)

    I think the Wii is sitting at #1, but in a race against something else. Not the PS3 and 360. But we’ll consider it to be in the mix.

    So okay, the Wii is #1, but I really see the PS3 and 360 in a tie. Even if the 360 has sold more. If you take into consideration the 16-month head-start and the lower price, then shouldn’t it be beating the PS3 by a lot more? That’s why it’s a weird situation. It’s not fair to say the PS3 is in third-place.

    Blah! Who cares!

    MGS4 is awesome. It looks damn real when you go into first-person!

    These graphics look way better than the demo did.

    I didn’t wanna play it too much last nite while I was tired, so I’m gonna head off to play it right now.

  221. @Paul

    You are going to have to go into more detail on your jealousy statement. Just for what reason are the people who dislike the PS3 jealous for? Jealousy is a moot emotion in this situation. If someone was jealous then they would buy the PS3. Ergo, jealousy is rather impossible in this situation.

    Is it so hard to grasp that perhaps maybe some people just really and truly despise the PS3?

    To give an example, if someone were to say: “HIV is a horrible disease. People should practice safe sex habits to prevent the spread of this disease.” A person with HIV couldn’t say, “Ha! Your just jealous of my awesome HIV ridden body!”

  222. I Wiip for Sony Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Good grief. This is the most epic thread on SDF yet.

  223. @Stickemup

    Let’s say Sony sell 20m PS3′s next week, and MS sell 1,000 Xbox 360′s next week (that quote will probably be put up as front page SDF fact when Hans reads it, lol) and the PS3 takes over as teh best selling platform. Does that mean that the PS3 is the best chioce for gamers? No.

    Sales dont mean anything because 80% of people are buying the PS3 mainly for the Bluray to watch films because it’s the cheapest option, not because it’s the best gaming machine.

    The PS3 has got a LONG way to go to take over as the No.1 chioce for gamers. Maybe in say 2 years time it may befiefly take that spot when the 360 is at the end of it’s life cycle, but then the Xbox 720 (or what ever it will be called) will shortly be released there after, right bang in teh middle of the PS3′s lifespan. Where will that leave gamers? They will all move onto the next gen and force Sony to abandon the PS3 and release a rushed PS4. All because of the Bluray and thier inablilty to research how to properly pretect the data on it (the real reason wy teh PS3 was 16 months behind, google it for proof).

    The PS3 WONT ever be the top dog in this gen, Sony left it WAY too late, just like MS did with the original Xbox, to really dominate something thats half way there.

  224. I dont dislike the Playstation brand as i have owned all of them (minus the PS3), and still have them all too. Just the PS3 doesnt have the same impact the others did when they were released. For a gamer everything is done much better and is alot cheaper on the 360, so a real gamer will no doubt own a 360 (and probably bought another if thier first one RROD without batting an eyelid) because thats where the real gaming is at.

    If the PS3 did or did better than what the 360 has already done then the PS3 would have been 1st chioce, but instead Sony decided to concentrate on selling it as something that it isnt, a movie player. I dont want to watch movies or rebuy movies i already own, i want to play games, and thats where Sony fucked up because as you can see with the serious lack of games 18 months the release of the PS3, it’s not where it should be. Theres nothing at all that would convince a gamer that the PS3 is the console to have. Unless u could give a valid reason on why the PS3 is better at gaming than the 360?

  225. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 11:27 am

    If nothing else, it has variety…

  226. A lot of SDF’s arguments are bull…

    At this very moment, the PS3 is selling more consoles: Of course it is! The Xbox360 has been out for more than a year longer, everyone already has theirs!

    No one’s arguing that MSG4 has a truly impressive presentation, and hopefully no one’s arguing that it’s not a great game, and a solid addition to the PS3′s library, but I get pissed when PS3 devs and fans start acting elitist because they’re developing for/playing the console, especially when all the Cell processor has going for it against the Xbox is “Floating Point Performance.”

  227. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    Just thought I’d throw this out there…
    http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/926596.asp
    91% so far.
    Also, http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/metalgearsolid4gunsofthepatriots
    Slightly better.
    Both of them are less than Halo 3. Probably will end up surpassing it, but just wanted to stoke the fanboy flames in here a bit.

  228. WildFire15 Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    @Paul
    No paul. I wouldn’t trade you MGS4 for GTA4. If I get GTA4, I’d rather get the 360 version. It may not be the definative version (to you), but I much prefer the 360 controls to the sixaxis/dual shock 3 (which still isn’t out here…)

    I’ve just gotten past the first boss, Laughing Octopus (well, I did a few hours ago, anyway) and I’m enjoying it. I’d hardly say it’s the most “ZOMG M0ST FCKUING AMAZING GAM3 3V3R!!!!!!!!!”, but it’s pretty damn good.

  229. I Wiip for Sony Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Mabye we can ignite a philisophical argument, to complement the technological and nationalistic ones. THEN this thread will be epically epic.

  230. MGS4 is amazing. Yup, yup, yup.

    @enigmoid – That argument is so bad. So everyone already has a 360? Do you have any idea how much the PS2 sold? The 360 has a long ways to go before it sells to everyone.

    That’s one of those ignorant comments that get on my nerves.

    MGS4 looks so damn real. I actually started feeling stressed out from the war going on around me. So I had to throw on my in-game ipod and listen to the MGS4 podcast. That was so awesome.

    Wildfire – Do you have a HDTV?

    That’s all I’m playing for today. I wanna make it last. I’m already thinking of different ways I’m going to approach each scene that I’ve completed on the second time around. So damn fun.

    And I thought Uncharted and Ratchet looked impressive.

    The problem with this game being so awesome is that I really can’t think of a single game that’s going to come close to this until the holiday season. Double-edged sword.

  231. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest…does it make as much noise as a 360?

  232. @Paul

    You wouldn’t have as much trouble with sound while playing the 360 if you didn’t rest your head on it while playing. That could have also had a contributing factor to your (supposed) 360′s demise.

    As I’ve never rested my head on my 360 the noise has never been an issue to me.

  233. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    @I Wiip

    Life is like a Xbox360; you take it home, you play for a while then it dies.
    Does that meet the philosophy side of things.

    @Paul

    Thanks again for the one month of xbox live.

  234. @Keri
    Supposing you’ve only ever used a tractor for your weekly trip to the shoe shop, you may think…this is ok, I can cope with the noise, I’ll just wrap a towel round my ear muffs with a bigger pair of ear muffs over the towel then another bigger towel under a really big pair of ear muffs. Then one day your husband loans you his Mercedes, you’re gonna think…my God! That tractor’s almost as loud as a 360.
    When I first turned on my Ps3 I thought I’d gone deaf, having been so accustomed to the tractor, I mean 360.

    @NewJello
    You’re very welcome, I just wish I could give you an assortment of towels and earmuffs to go with it.

  235. @Paul

    As usual you are making shit up. Forget comparisons, to even HEAR the 360 at all at any level I have to turn my television off. As far as a tractor goes, I’m quite sure you can hear that over a tv. But then again as you have never owned a 360 you are talking out of your ass as usual.

    I’ve had miniature desk fans whose low setting was noiser than the 360.

    I don’t have to “cope” with the noise of the 360, I have to put a fuck-lot of effort into actually noticing it.

    But hey, as long as we are making stuff up I’ll go along with that. I’m glad I no longer own my PS3. The controller got so hot that it left third degree burns and blisters on my hands. The scar tissue still hasn’t gone completely away.

  236. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Seriously Paul, it’s not that loud, it’s usually only really loud in an enclosed space like a DVD cabinet, and if you close the door while it’s in there it can gather heat too and red ring. And usually the sound will drown it out, and you’ll get used to it in a month.

  237. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    thought I’d get Hans busy on the PS3 tops sales over Xbox 360 in May NPD article that’s bound to come.

    http://kotaku.com/5016044/wii-nearly-overtakes-xbox-360-us-install-base-after-strong-may-sales

    Call it ‘Consumers make definitive console choice for PS3 again over Xbox 360 in May consoles sales, Xbots crying as their Xbox 360 consoles get the RROD.’

  238. I Wiip for Sony Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    @Paul
    That comment was just about the funniest thing I’ve ever read.

    @erik
    Lemmee add to the tales. I enjoyed the PS3, and it was worth its price…
    Erm, sorry, that a little too extreme. I’ll try again;
    I was not moved to drown the first PS3 I saw with holy water.

  239. I Wiip for Sony Says:
    June 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    that’s, that is.

  240. MGS4 looks so damn real. I actually started feeling stressed out from the war going on around me. So I had to throw on my in-game ipod and listen to the MGS4 podcast. That was so awesome.

    Wildfire – Do you have a HDTV?

    That’s all I’m playing for today. I wanna make it last. I’m already thinking of different ways I’m going to approach each scene that I’ve completed on the second time around. So damn fun.

    And I thought Uncharted and Ratchet looked impressive.

    The problem with this game being so awesome is that I really can’t think of a single game that’s going to come close to this until the holiday season. Double-edged sword.

  241. NPD numbers are in. Our beloved PS3 outsold the 360 by 28k I believe. But guess what guys? I don’t care! MGS4 is too awesome.

    No offense to any GTA, Devil May Cry, or Halo fans, but this is the way you make a next-gen game of your franchise.

  242. One more good piece of news. IGN gave my baby a 10! Hehe, they wanted to give it an 11.

    It’s crazy how someone could give it a 8, but I’ll respect their opinion. It deserves at least a 9 just for the production values. I guess awesome cut scenes aren’t for everyone.

    Peace guys!

  243. WildFire15 Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 2:19 am

    I do have an HDTV, and my PS3 gets the HDMI slot, seeing as I, amazingly, have a fairly early 360 that runs fine (and uses the VGA slot).

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at graphics wise. Sure, MGS4 is a very good looking game, but it’s more on par with CoD4 then anything else.

    Also: MGS4 is not a 10/10 game. it’s an easy 9/10. But then, there is NO game in the entire world that is utterly perfect, so people who give games maximum scores are getting paid off (including all the Halo 3 reviews, that was 9/10 at best too)

    that’s my 2 cents

  244. Paul_Is_Funny Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 6:07 am

    Hehehe…. Paul did you make this vid? Hmmmm??

  245. @Stickemup

    “I guess awesome cut scenes aren’t for everyone.”

    I’m glad your enjoying your movie. I’ll be enjoying games on my 360 though.

  246. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 9:19 am

    10/10 doesn’t mean perfection, just saying. OXM even have a 11/10 score that no game will ever get, just to send across that point, they’re suggesting that 10/10 is not perfection.

  247. That’s why all scores should be out of a million, with >900 000 reserved for Ps3 titles, imho.

  248. @erik – Whatever you say keri :) I really don’t care. I’m enjoying this game so much. Tell your mom to make me some more cookies.

    @Wildfire – I was just wondering if you were playing it on a HDTV. No point, just wondering if you were enjoying it to the fullest.

    But yeah, like Escape said. A 10 doesn’t mean “perfect”, it just means that it sets a new benchmark for the type of game it is, or for the games in it’s respective generation.

  249. Random frag Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 11:06 am

    yea my friend just got msg4 and im not really a fan of the msg series but he is making me want to play it and i might get a chance to play kz2 after hes done with it :)

  250. WildFire15 Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    You know how Blu-Ray is meant to eliminate that whole disc changing thing?
    Well, before each act (each of which arn’t more then a few hours), you have to sit for 3 mins while the game installs stuff on the HDD. What the hell is the point? It would be easier to put each act on a seperate disc and let use change them. it’d be a hell of a lot quicker.
    btw, did anyone notice the joke at the fact you have to install stuff onto PS3 at the end of the first install when you put the disc in?

  251. I’ve been reserving judgement on this game cuz I didn’t have the foggiest idea what was going on, and I’m still pretty naff, but I just realised that I can switch out my inventory via the pause screen (total asshole I know…but gimmee a break! I’m old). The selection of weapons is great, also I can finally access my rusty oil drum which is hilarious to watch, also I just sneaked up on, and killed some guy who was pleasuring himself to a playboy magazine, also I’ve just opened my first beer…gonna be a swell night.I love it when I finally start getting to grips with a new type of game.
    Apart from that, it looks and sounds amazing and if the 3 minute installs are the price you pay for zero frame rate issues etc. then it’s totally worth it.

  252. @Stickemup

    Cookies? Don’t you think that popcorn would be more proper for a movie?

  253. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Kept you waiting, huh?

    Finished MGS4 yesterday at 11:30 PM. Masterpiece. Just stunning. Metal Gear Online is pretty fun, except for a few issues (been shot through wall dozen of times).

    Anybody who has this, post your Game ID so we can play together.

  254. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Paul finally talking sensibly, let’s hope for the future.

  255. @keri – Nah! I hate popcorn. Plus I only have the privilege of watching those awesome cut-scenes every once in a while, the rest I spend playing the most awesome game this generation.

    Don’t wanna get butter on your buddy (sixaxis)

    I like this wit better than the hatred you’re used to spewing. I chuckled a bit at your good comeback (I read one earlier that was pretty good too). Keep it up bud. I think you’re finally getting it.

    @Paul – Glad you’re enjoying it. I’m taking it soooo slow though :)

  256. @Stickemup

    Metal Gear Solid 4:Sons of Cutscenes the most awesome game of this generation? Heh, yeah right. I’d rather play Zak & Wiki. And rather than Zak & Wiki I’d rather play E.T. on the Atari. So I suppose that I would rather play E.T. on the Atari than MGS4.

  257. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    @stickemup

    Even though where both big fans of the MGS series, it’s still to early (and kinda naive) to say ” its the most awesome game of this generation”.
    While this console cycle is still relatively young, we still don’t know what we are still in for. Sure there will be the sequals to games that we enjoy but there could be a new IP thats completely fucking awesome.

  258. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    MGS4 gets a 10/10 from IGN and GameSpot. An A- from IGN though.. LOLOLOLOLROFLCOPTER M$ PROPAGANDA

  259. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 13th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Oh, and it got a 10/10 from GameInformer too.

  260. @Infrared – Can I just call you Cold? Hehe, I was just being ignorant. Who knows if it will be, but as of now, it’s the best example I have seen of next-gen this generation.

    Hope you get a chance to try it out soon. It really is THAT good if you’re a MGS fan. I had huge expectations for this game, and it’s already surpassed them, and I’m only like 3 hours into the game. (I replayed the first 3 hours on different difficulties)

    @keri – This is one of those games that I almost wish was multi-platform so everyone could enjoy it. Every gamer should at least get their hands on it for a little bit. I know you feel betrayed by Sony and hate everything PS3 related, but in all seriousness, it’s the best MGS by far.

    Hope you 360 guys get a chance to check it out.

  261. mayweather83 Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 12:23 am

    what difficulty are you playing on?

  262. Take your time and play ‘MGS4: Son Of All Installs’ slowly, it may be another 18 months before the PS3bots get another AAA game on thier PS3. So take ur time and it should last all year.

  263. And who knows? It could be another 2 1/2 years before xbots get their first.

  264. WildFire15 Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 7:26 am

    just finished it, in 13 hours and 44 mins. Easily the best MGS, and stealth action game. Game of the year? definatly a contender. Although more actual game would be nice (I think all the cut-scenes and codec talks totalled about 5 or 6 hours)

  265. @mayweather – I played it on both normal difficulties to see what the difference was. Sticking to the American/Euro normal. I’m gonna replay it on hard.

    @Paul – Hehe, that was pretty funny.

    @slimster – “Son of all Installs”? Isn’t it supposed to be “father”? That was rather lame.

    Did you guys see the Resistance 2 gameplay footage last nite? I completely forgot about it, but I’m hearing that it was pretty good.

  266. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    @stickemup

    Yeah dude you can call me Cold, but you do bring up something that has been bothering me about the videogame industry this console cycle that didn’t happen with the last. The term “next-gen”; it’s always, “next-gen this or that” but the problem is the PS3, 360, and the Wii are “current-gen” consoles. The PS2 is slowly is on its way out (bravo to sony for keeping it going for this long) and the GC and original xbox have all but gone away. So when i hear “next-gen” it makes me roll my eyes and think “whatever and stop marketing to the people that believe everything they read and just give us the straight dope”.

  267. Going with the MGS theme, Sons of Liberty. But with the PS3′s case it’s Son Of All Installs.

    Ironic this thread is meant to be bashing the 360 due to MGS4 being on 1 disc, yet u get constant installs because the Bluray is shit for gaming. LOL

    Bluray + Gaming = Epic Phail.

  268. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 10:38 am

    My GAME ID is Insane Elite on Metal Gear Online, incase anyone wants to play.

    Overall I give MGO a 9/10. Its really fun to play, and with slow level and skill ups, you’ll be looking at good time put into it. My favorite gamemode and map is Sneaking Mission on Bloodbath. Sneaking Mission has the true MGS4 feel to it: Two sides fighting with Snake in the middle. I dropped off a point because the lag, which is occasional, can be life or death. Rolled away from someone using CQC? Thnik again. Hid behind a wall from an enemy? The bullets coming out of the wall think otherwise.

    @Slimster

    The installs aren’t all that bad. I tend to usr the first 8-minute one reading the preorder booklet or the instruction booklet. Every other one, which is 1 to 2 minutes, I stretch a bit, grab something to eat. I do the same thing for putting in another disc on other games.

  269. WildFire15 Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    say, SDF, howcome you never said anything about that Microsoft conference in Japan from the other day? you know, how Square’s giving them Starocean, Infinate Undiscoveries and Last Remenant as exclusive (well, 360 gets Last Remenant first) and how the next Tales of game is 360 exclusive too? could be something like “Square gives RRODbox 120 scraps. PS3 gets Final Fantasy XIII”. Come on, you know you want to :P

  270. WildFire15 Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am

    (and yes, I know Tales of games arn’t square-enix)

  271. Random frag Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 11:18 am

    im lovin the halo 3 add at the top of my screen o anybody played ninja gaiden 2 yet?

  272. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    They can’t really spin that without giving away the fact that they are trolls. Most of those games are respected franchises, and this was a great move by Microsoft.

    Ninja Gaiden 2 is fun, it focuses on gameplay more than graphics. It’s kinda old school in that the game will seriously kick your ass if you try to button mash or something.

  273. ^^^Hidden message…NG2 is the button mashiest button masher ever. LOL, stomp away xboxers, pretend the green button is a micro$haft support guy’s eyeball.

  274. EscapeTheFate Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    If you button mash in Ninja Gaiden, you’re going to die. Plain and simple. My weapons ar the Vigoorian Flail, Eclipse Sythe, And Dragon Sword and sometimes the Tonfas. I know one guy who buttonmashed, he had about 56 deaths last I checked on level 7 on acolyte, and I had about the same amount on level 9 on warrior, so…:P

  275. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    @Paul

    Seriously if you button mash in NG2 it will hand you’re ass to you. Even the grunt type enemies can give you a “game over” on the easy difficulty if you just button mash. Don’t get me started on the ninja dogs with exploding shurikens that come at you in packs and just kick your ass all over the place either.

  276. WildFire15 Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    @paul
    what are you doing here when theres MGS4 to be played?!

  277. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    He probably doesn’t have it. He just likes talking about it because its on the PS3

  278. I’ve never heard of NG2, if he hadn’t been so defensive about it being a button masher with poor graphics, I wouldn’t have said anything. I’m pleased you’re all happy though.

  279. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Wait…You have never heard of NG2, but you know for certain it is a button masher with poor graphics?
    K…
    It’s graphics aren’t BAD, they just aren’t super-realistic like Crysis. IT took the respectable route of gameplay over graphics, or SUBSTANCE OVER STYLE. Oh well.
    Hope Stickmeup is enjoying MGS4.

  280. Random frag Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    so paul ng2 is bad but the 3rd remake of sigma is better right

  281. @rider – Thanks :) I am. Like I said before, I really hope you 360 guys get a chance to play it soon.

    I know a lot of you have played the other games on the PS2. If you enjoyed those, you’ll definately enjoy this one.

    I played a few hours in the morning, but that’s all for today. Gonna go watch some Elite XC at my boys. Catch y’all later.

  282. @Stickemup

    “This is one of those games that I almost wish was multi-platform so everyone could enjoy it.”

    I’m glad its not, and hope it is never released for the 360. Best to keep such contamination quarantined to the PS3.

  283. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    erik is just being a blind fanboy. How would you know how bad it is if you have never played it?

    I for one would welcome such a great game on the 360, but I will probably cave in first and pick up a cheap PS3 somewhere. With my luck, a 360 port will be announced an hour after I buy it…

  284. Random frag Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    i really hope it is released to the 360 cause it looks amazing

  285. That’s precisely why it can’t go to xbox. Better to take Keri’s approach and pretend you don’t like it.

  286. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    @erik

    I for one would like to see this so called “contamination” on the 360. For fucks sake if you don’t like it, noone is aiming a gun to your head and telling you have to play MGS4 if it comes out on the 360.

  287. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    @Paul

    Except, you know, Kojima himself said that it could be entirely possible on the 360. Make outrageous claims that no one can fact check on.
    LERN2TROLL NUB

  288. @InfaredChimera

    Buying it or not buying it is hardly the point. It goes without saying that I wouldn’t buy it. But it is the principle of the matter. Keep PS3′s shit to itself.

  289. Ninsonysoft Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    @erik

    So without ever playing the game once, you’re going to assume its a piece of crap? Oh no, a cutscene is over 5 minutes long. I never knew the game lasted 5 minutes and 5 seconds. 90 minute cutscenes don’t exist. The longest is about 45 minutes. Two in particular on long, but not 90 minutes. You’re being ridiculous.

  290. InfraredChimera Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    @erik

    Hate to break it to you but MGS1 was published by MS for PC, then konami released MGS2 Substance for the original xbox. So the MGS series does have a history with MS like it or not. Not only that konami is 3rd party developer so they can do what they want with MGS4 (unless there’s a exclusivity deal with sony) since its NOT published by sony what so ever. If Haze came to the 360 (from what i played its complete shit) then you would be justified for your arguement.

  291. @InfaredChimera

    Yes, I am very aware that the previous Metal Gear Solid games have been on multiple platforms. Your point being? I didn’t say Sony, or PS1 and PS2 can keep their games to themselves. I said that the PS3 can keep its games to itself.

    And why would I have a problem with any of those games? I’ve beaten and throughly enjoyed MGS 1 through 3.

  292. My reply to InfaredChima is waiting in moderation. But in responds to Ninsonysoft:

    @Ninsonysoft

    “So without ever playing the game once, you’re going to assume its a piece of crap?”

    Yes.

  293. rider of the short bus Says:
    June 14th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Erik just proved himself to be another rabid blind fanboy. Move along, nothing to see here.

  294. I have admitted to being a fanboy. But to a multitude of systems. Those being: PS2, Wii, 360, and PC. That pretty much covers all companies now doesn’t it short bus?

  295. JerzeyLegend Says:
    June 16th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    This article fails. The only multi-disc game on Xbox I have ever come across is Lost Odyssey. It is a very long game, I have not completed it yet, and I am more than 60 hours in.

    Our disc may be small, but that is MS only falling point. However, MS is outsourcing for Blu-Ray drives. There is a 50/50 chance MS will get Blu-Ray, and then Sony fanboys will have to find something else to complain about. With some many games, consoles, platforms, and so many amazing things each console brings to the table, I don’t understand why fanboys even exist.

    Wii is an innovative system that puts the hands in hands-on. It’s a great system, although graphically lacking than it’s peers, that allows you to play games like never before. PS3 is a very powerful next-gen system, that is truly a home entertainment system. It’s a Home Theater PC more or less. Less focused on games, and more focused on multi uses. However, very power core, and a step above the rest in power. Xbox 360, a very fun, streamlined system. It offers the market proven best multiplayer experience. Xbox Live is indeed Gold, allowing you to save your friends, and you can even perform cross game invites. The controller feels the most comfortable and the system is a powerhouse itself. People look at the internals and say Xbox 360 only has 256 megs of RAM, but it’s not a PC, it’s a gaming system, it’s not suppossed to have 2GB of RAM. Some of the higher end PCs have trouble running the software that XBox 360 runs with ease. Anyway, all in all, there are too many cool systems out there, and you people should start appreciating all of them, instead of one of them.

    Fanboys = people who can’t afford multiple systems

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