KILLZONE 2 Reviews are in: Bow to your new FPS King.
SonyDefenseForce told you earlier that KILLZONE 2 would deliver. And guess what? It did. The press agree. KILLZONE 2 will be the defining FPS of this generation, establishing the Playstation 3 as the go-to system for hardcore shooter fans. You will see a massive exodus of Xbox fanatics purchasing Playstation 3′s in anticipation of a truly next-generation title. Much to their dismay, the inferior Xbox 360 simply cannot handle visuals on the level of KILLZONE 2. Time to trade in those RROD machines for something truly amazing. February 27. Believe.
KZ2 Reviews
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/29/metareview-killzone-2/#comments
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…… very interesting ain’t it?
Lol, 11 reviews to 86/84. Lets wait till Killzone 2 gets around that many reviews first and see what the final outcome is.
Gotta love SDF, they get another extremely rare game (ie. one worth playing or hasnt been released on the 360 2 years before) on the PS3 and they wank about it like they just won the lottery.
Im 99.9% sure people wouldnt trade or sell thier xboxs for a PS3 just for one game, the ONLY game i think would make people buy a PS3 at the drop of a hat is a remake of FF7, but then that would only end up on the 360 eventually as well.
I know its hard to swallow, but the 360 has done a number on the PS3 like the PS2 did on the Xbox. Theres way too much variety for a gamer on the 360 than it is on the PS3.
Not exactly the most defining game of this gen when Bioshock and HL2: Orange Box (360 version, not the shit PS3 one) both had the same scores as Killzone 2, plus with ALOT more reviews to back the scores up too.
Should really do ur homework first guys, as always you only make urself looks dicks in the end.
@slimster
“Theres way too much variety for a gamer on the 360 than it is on the PS3.”
Are you kidding me? Both consoles have almost the same exact games (exclusives not withstanding), and you say there’s more variety on one than the other? Shit son, open your damn eyes and get a clue. And don’t get me started on that PSN vs. XBLA.
Eh, not gonna bother with KZ2. Yet another FPS just doesn’t interest me, regardless of how pretty it may be.
Honestly, if I hadn’t bought my PS3 with a Best Buy Blu-Ray $100 discount with my TV I’d be heavily disappointed with it. Uncharted is fun, but I haven’t been able to build up enough desire to finish it yet. My 4 year old and I have a blast with LittleBigPlanet, but we would rather play Mario Kart Wii together any day of the week.
Metal Gear Solid 4 was fun, but Kojima simply needs to embrace the fact that he makes fun games, not good movies. It was far to preachy and contrived to watch, and his story could have been delivered in a much more concise manner. It wouldn’t have made an enjoyable movie, and I like complex movies. Think of how much he could have added in playable content if he cut the cutscenes down significantly. I kept feeling as if the game was much shorter than it could have been, and it left me feeling bitter. I traded it in as soon as I finished it.
God of War 3? I will be lining up for that one. That series has a good balance of play vs. story. I buy games to play. I buy movies to watch.
But otherwise, my XBox360 gets far more playtime. As much potential as the PS3 may have, it’s exclusives just aren’t compelling enough. Yet another (pretty) FPS isn’t going to change that.
You forgot one
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supermariogalaxy?q=super%20mario%20galaxy
Ho hum. Lets see, Shitzone 2 has 76 reviews less than Halo 3 at the current time. Ergo, plenty of time for it to sink below that of Halo 3.
As for the mass exodus, keep dreaming P$3 drones. That didn’t happen with Metal Gear Solid 4. And if it didn’t happen with that franchise there is no way this lump of cold dog crap is going to do that. Keep enjoying PS3rd place.
Also, as of writing this there are now 13 reviews in for Shitzone 2. The lump of dog crap has dropped to 95. One point off from Halo 3 douchequeens.
Now do you want a defining game this generation? Bioshock. 96 after 88 reviews. But we knew that you P$3 fantards were starving for a good game, so we eventually gave you our sloppy seconds on that one. Enjoy!
Furthermore, as far as the 360 not being able to handle Shitzone 2,(which would be a blessing in disguise)you tried to state that shit with MGS4. That is until Kojima set you PS3rd placers straight.
i expected nothing less from a ps3 exclusive. just subtract 96 from this score and u will have the average score for exclusives for other consoles. this is not surprising since the ps3 is the only true next gen console
So most other exclusives get an average rating of -1?
I love you guys
look at SDF, A.jumping the gun before everyone reviews it, and B. being retards. BTW, it went down one point now, not that it matters.
First-D’oh!!
@InfraredChimera
There loads and loads of games worth playing on the 360 than there are on the PS3. The PS3 has around 4 notable games at a push, the 360 got loads. And multi platorm games 99% of the time are vastly superior on the 360 than the PS3. If it wasnt the case people wouldnt be mocking and turning thier noses up to the PS3.
Not quite too sure how u worked out PSN is better then XBLA, unless i read it wrong. Ok PSN is free, but that doesnt make it better by a long shot.
It’s really funny how reviewers can’t give low scores to an obviously bad game due to massive amounts of hype and reader expectations. It happened with GTA4 (worth around 82%), it happened with halo3 (around 88%) and now happens again with kz2.
Why not give an honest score instead of jumping the hype bandwagon. Do these reviewers even play those games? A honest kz2 review would give it 66% or so. Objectivity …
@ marnick
“Do these reviewers even play those games?”
It’s clear SDF doesnt. they just bum off other reviews or make one up pretending they played it.
Ahh… it’s articles like these that remind me of just how hard these authors try to intentionally hamper their own articles. To the people behind the SDF, whoever you are, I applaud you, and your brilliant sense of satire. Well done.
6.3/10 Average out of regular users.
Sad.
Well, gosh. It seems the grumpy people are rather out in force, today!
Really, chaps. There’s no reason to go rabid because a new game’s being released. I will be the first to admit that it’s a TAD early to be comparing the metacritic scores (we need to wait until both have similar numbers of reviews before we can judge, which shouldn’t take too long), I find the snarling from both sides rather trite and (excusing my french) fairly fucking retarded.
Please. Don’t sink to the level of the spittle-flecked fanatics yelling at people in the streets. These are just videogames. I’m sure this is a good game, and so are the others.
@EthZee
If you are trying to be fair in this rabid fanboy room, good luck with that. Believe me, I’ve tried to talk some logic into some of the commentors in here, it doesn’t work. It wouldn’t matter if KZ2 was the greatest game ever, it would be shot down before alot the commentors even played (hard to even judge a game, especially if you haven’t played it, yet some talk shit about up and down).
So good luck man, you will need it.
@InfaredChimera
“(hard to even judge a game, especially if you haven’t played it, yet some talk shit about up and down).”
Sort of like dunking your junk in battery acid, its not something you need first hand knowledge of to form an opinion of it.
@erik
Ok, I will be level with you. You haven’t played KZ2 and neither have I, correct?
I know you will play KZ2, you have proven that you will. Only someone who despises something so much, ends up really only lying to themselves.
Shit your more like Ted Haggard, you hate the gays so much that your actually one of them, its okay, hypocrits can get into heaven.
@InfaredChimera
“Ok, I will be level with you. You haven’t played KZ2 and neither have I, correct?”
Nor have I dipped my junk in battery acid. Have you?
I think Killzone will be a game some people will like, and some people will hate. I think people will play it online. I think it’s a FPS. these are things I’m 100% sure of. I know dipping my ass in battery acid may give me cancer if I do it on a regular basis, and would turn my ass into a highly flamable hazard while soaked in it. Therefore I would not dip my ass in it. However, playing Killzone will not make my ass a fire hazard. Killzone will be a game that I will try, and see if I like. I will not say I will like it or hate it yet, because saying that without playing it is absofuckinglutely retarded.
What erik’s trying to say is the following: people have an ability called deduction which is a very strong tool to determine wether something will be good or bad. Using deduction one knows that battery acid can be quite lethal. On the other hand using deduction one can say that kz2 is going to suck. One only has to look at the guerilla portfolio to realise that they don’t make good games. They just don’t have it in them.
I remember now: tonight I dreamt of a ps3/360 pricedrop. PS3 dropped to 300 euros, 360 arcade to 80€. Unfortunatly ps3 was still way too expensive with the continuing lack of games.
Funny how dreams show the truth sometimes.
@marnick
But every developer can have hit or miss games as well. Squaresoft is a good example; there first game was terrible (it was a NES game something on lines of Knights Story or Kings Story), and judging by that game alone (which almost sank the company), noone thought they could come back and make a RPG franchise thats still relevent today.
What also can be done (if its possible for you to do), is go into KZ2 as its own game and not judge it on its previous games. Basically keep a open mind is what I’m have been trying to say.
^^^
I will even simplify it; Don’t judge a book by its cover.
@InfaredChimera
So you are saying that we shouldn’t use reasoning skills at all? If in a menu at a restaurant there was a picture of the chef shitting into a soup pot would you order the soup because “you can’t judge a book by its cover!” Please.
@erik
See you comparing a chef shitting into soup pot can be taken into two ways.
1. The literal way or
2. That the menu is something that he/she pulled out of there ass and it happens to be some good food (it also depends on the “theme” of said restaurant)
Anyways about being reasonable; so not judging a book by its cover is being unreasonable? I thought being reasonable is being able to step back and look at something completly rational and see both sides of the story.
I can see where your coming from about how the first game was mediocre FPS, but to rush immediate judgment on its sequel (that we haven’t even played) is being )”absofuckinglutely retarded.”
Also you talk about KZ2 so much, that it does have your interest, and even it is negative interest, they still have you talking about it. I can’t wait to hear what you got to say about it after you’ve played it. (since considering that you would never buy a PS3 and you did anyway, hypocrit).
@InfaredChimera
Once again, you CAN judge a book by its cover. If the book is called “Pictures of mutilated penises” and the cover itself has pictures of mutilated penises, do you think that perhaps you might be able to draw some conclusions about it?
And yes, I did buy a PS3. And yes, despite my best efforts sometimes I don’t always avoid the shit in the stew type of games like Resistance or Uncharted. But just because I’ve made mistakes in the past is no reason to run face first into one now is it?
@erik
But the best way to avoid a mistake is to prevent them from happening. Sure hindsight is 20/20, but why buy a PS3 if you can’t find any redemming qualities about it?
Also being reasonable isn’t in your vocab now is it?
@InfaredChimera
“But the best way to avoid a mistake is to prevent them from happening.”
Yes, now you are getting it. The best way to prevent the mistake of playing Killzone 2 is to not play it now isn’t it?
@erik
If you don’t want to play KZ2, thats your decision. But to rag on in it without even playing it, is being a douch.
Now what game are you looking forward to play?
Halo wars, fear2, and lost and damned
Well Halo Wars is going to suck because RTS’s don’t work on a console and its going to be boring just like the whole series of games, and why would this be any different.
The Lost and Damned DLC is also garbage content to a game that was WAY too overhyped and this DLC is disappointing already.
And FEAR 2 is ok, but really hammed up. Not that I have played any of these games, but with some common sense I guess I can judge these games before I even play them (end sarcasm).
halo wars is a promising game. It will prove that rts works on consoles. You say it sucks because it’s not on ps3 mostly.
Same for lost and damned. You don’t like it because it’s exclusive. As a matter of fact it looks like a very good expansion.
And if you want to rant on a game, please don’t do on 12yo level like your first sentence. There’s better ways to let of steam than ranting on 2 good games. You haven’t played them and they look better than kz2 in any way. Hypocrite?
excuse me for the multiple messages => moderation
@marnick
I think you missed on my previous post I was being sarcastic for the whole thing and I should have made that more clear, thats my fault on my end.
I do want to play Halo Wars (long live Ensemble Studios!) the Lost and Damned DLC (which looks like a very fine expansion) and plan on purchasing FEAR 2.
But you’ve just proven my point; We haven’t played the mentioned titles in your previous post, and how do we (honestly) know how there going to be? We don’t untill we have played them. So to say (for example) “Halo Wars is the shit and KZ2 is shit even though I haven’t played either title” is being stupid.
So if a hyporcit is being fair to let the game stand on its own merits then make a informed opinion on the final product on that which I have played is the definition, then yes, I’m a hypocrit.
Or am I a asshole, who hasen’t played the game in question but has formed a opinion about it without actually playing the said game.
But I thought it had “received PERFECT scores”?
@InfaredChimera
“But to rag on in it without even playing it, is being a douch.”
If that is what it takes then I’m willing to go down that road.
@erik
then consider your opinions about games null and void.
I was calling you a hypocrite on grounds of you dissing 2 very good games. It was sarcasm apparently so I stand corrected. However do note that halo wars is from a respectable studio (ensemble) and the halo series is quite good too.
Contrasting starkly with killzone. The series hasn’t produced a good game yet and guerilla has a very questionable reputation too. I’m not really trusting this legacy and both time and money investments are too steep for this gamble.
@marnick
But did you see what I was getting at though; we do know Ensemble Studios record for good games, but there is a possibility that Halo Wars could be a stinker of a game but with a good control scheme.
I guess I’m just a optimistic person that thinks that any studio can create a good game no matter what there track record is like.
@InfaredChimera
I don’t recall ever stating that I cared or put any stock whatsoever in your opinion about my opinion now have I?
I borrowed a ps3 from a mate yesterday. It’s in my room as we speak, if you want I can even provide pictures as proof.
Anyways, he got me convinced to try mgs4. It is the best game on the ps3 so I figured I’d give it a try.
Cutscene, 10 seconds of play, new cutscene. I cba with cutscenes so I skipped the first 10 or so until I got completely bored with the gameplay. There’s hardly any gameplay worthy of the name so I started watching the cutscenes.
Total boredom. Even super mario galaxy has more interesting cutscenes. Apparently Hideo fails as a game designer as well as a movie director. Anyways, my mate left the ps3 with me so I could play a bit. Guess it’ll collect some dust.
If mgs4 is supposed to be the best game on the ps3 then I stand by my belief. The ps3 really is doomed.
Play Station 3 won 2008, and now is winning 2009.
Killzone 2 is an example of a Next-Gen game, you can’t compare it with any game, even Crysis.
Remember that Crysis doesn’t have anything new, and has low-quality maps (like Counter Strike ones).
Halo 3 is/was a failure, with the same graphics as Halo 1/2… Xbots are spending money on low-quality games, while PS3 owners are paying for a perfect system.
Anyways, reviews means nothing, because many of those reviews are FALSE reviews, cuz they will never point a 100 unless they get some MONEY, like Halo 3 reviews got.
KZ2 is a 100/100, and you can’t prove i’m wrong because this game is perfect.
KZ2 is a 70/100 at most, you can’t prove I’m wrong because this game is far from perfect (and you know it)
Also, crysis is 10 times the game killzone2 will ever be. Crytek would be offended that you compare one of the best shooters in the last 5 years to such a piece of garbage.
@Nextgenuser
“Play Station 3 won 2008, and now is winning 2009.”
Wrong, per usual. The PS3rd place in 2008 archived, obviously, 3rd place:
http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&start=39474&end=39810&weekly=1
And in 2009 the best they’ve been able to come up with is a game with all glitter no guts. Sad sad sad.
As for everything else you said, its really so full of blatant retardation its not really worth going through bit by bit. Anyone who is not a complete Sony Fantard can obviously see through your pitiful attempts at lying.
As a PS3 owner I laugh at you calling it a “perfect system” I really and truly do.
@marnick
If you go into thinking that a Metal Gear Solid game won’t have any long drawn out cutscenes, then your dumb.
Actually you can be proven wrong at the moment; currently on metacritic the game is at, 5 reviews at 100% scores, 25 reviews 90% or better, and 2 reviews at 80% or better..
Also since Crysis and KZ2 are both FPSs so they CAN be compared since there in the same genre. But if you want to argue simantics we can; since one is on console and the other is on PC we can’t accuratly compare the two in that case (and I would rather play FPSs on at PC any day than on a console).
BTW you forgot a even better game that was released in the last 5 years on PC, just a little title from valve called Half-Life 2 (96 on metacritic).
^^^
And yes I have played Crysis and its fucking awesome, but its no half-life.
BTW you forgot a even better game that was released in the last 5 years on PC, just a little title from valve called Half-Life 2 (96 on metacritic).
the truth. However killzone doesn’t come close to Crysis, and is lightyears away from halflife2. Halflife2@96% and kz2@95% proves that the review system doesn’t work anymore.
Did they get sony moneyhats?
About mgs4: I thought I knew exactly what I’d get. Some kind of hybrid game/movie, which I thought’d be really cool. Kinda like hotel dusk. However mgs4 fails at both gaming and movies. This makes it generally a fail of a game on a fail of a console. Too bad for sony, they had all the chances to come first again this gen but they blew them all away.
Looking at a lot of the reviews it pretty much sums up what I thought the game would be. Good graphics, pretty standard to mediocre in every other aspect of the game.
Wow. It’s already at 93. Looks to be a good game… just not as good as Halo 3. (According to critics.)
You sick fucks, y’all are still here?
Nothing has changed… I like it.
@Stickemup
I rented Uncharted on your suggestion. That was a terrible waste of money. The story was great and everything. But everything that was not a cutscene was tedious as all hell.
Really? Well I don’t even know what to say… if you don’t like Uncharted then… I dunno. That game’s only flaw to me was the amount of enemies you had to take down, sometimes it felt like they just kept coming atcha.
How can you not love that game? The vehicle parts were awesome too, especially the chase in the jeep.
How about a “welcome back”? Before you assault me, Hehe.
I can’t wait to get home to play the RE5 demo, I played a little last nite, but am waiting to try it co-op with a b uddy, if I can make it work.
The vistas were great. The jumping and climbing around was just average. It has been done much better in other games. But the gunfights were exceptionally tedious. Every time I heard a Spaniard yell at me I groaned and rolled my eyes. And regardless of how much I liked the story, I just couldn’t bring myself to complete it if it meant going through hours of crap gun fights.
@stickemup
Shit man, welcome back. Some how a few people in here already know KZ2 is shit without actually (you know) playing it. I know being skeptical about it is understandable, but without actually playing it and talking shit about it is quite unreasonable.
@InfaredChimera
We’ve come to terms with the fact that you do not have or make use of common sense. You live in a world where everything must be tested without any thought processes of any sort getting in the way. From necrophilia to drinking chemicals under your sink you like to go into every situation with an “open” mind.
But you need to come to terms that others of us do use common sense.
@erik
Common sense is something I do have and I’am a very reasonable person. Yes common sense tells me not to dunk my nuts in battery acid, to not stick my hand in a bee hive and so forth.
Having a open mind is that your reasonable humun being, you can see both sides of the matter (like you got every right to be skeptical of KZ2), but you won’t come to a immediate conclusion untill you know what your talking about or have a intelligent opinion.
Yes I do exhibit both common sense and reason; common sense tells me to be skeptical of KZ2, but be give it a try to see if I will like it (sense it does INTEREST me) and then I can form a opinion of it based on playing it, and I have never said if I would like the game or not, since I frankly don’t know if I would or wouldn’t.
^^^ I need to check my shit before hitting “submit”
I can’t see any reason to try it. Why would I waste my time “trying” a game that sucks? That just seems like a terrible waste of time to me.
@Cold – Sup yo?! Long time. I guess things are still the same around here, looks like erik hasn’t missed a beat.
Killzone 2… hmmm I can’t wait. I love games with great atmospheres. Reading the reviews, it doesn’t seem like it’s bad, so I have no idea why someone would think it sucks without having played it.
Now if the reviews were horrible then that would be another story.
SF4 and KZ2 are first day buys for me.
erik Says:
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I can’t see any reason to try it. Why would I waste my time “trying” a game that sucks? That just seems like a terrible waste of time to me.
what he said. Logic and reason dictate that kz2 will suck. Hence I will not try it. Got better things to do with my time.
@marnick
If you have no reason to try KZ2, thats cool, then it doesn’t appeal to you.
But what isn’t cool, is that you are constantly shitting all over it without actually playing it, to me thats being unreasonable since you don’t have any idea if the games is good or not.
I do have an idea. Please reread my posts. The series has a history, the company has a history, even the console has a history (remember haze/lair/…). It could be good, it could be even stellar. But chances of it being suck is about 100:1. If I had to bet on this game sucking I’m pretty sure I’d win.
@Stickemup
“have no idea why someone would think it sucks without having played it.”
The first game sucked.
The studio that makes it sucks.
The console its on sucks.
Any more questions?
@marnick – That’s ridiculous. Haze (which is from FR, not Sony) and Lair are no indication of what the PS3 has to offer.
If anything, the console has a history of good 1st party titles. With more on the way.
If it sucks, then why is it getting good reviews? Is it just that everyone else is wrong for liking it?
And you’re right about it sucking, because you don’t like it? Of course not, you have your opinion. But if everyone else likes it, then sorry to inform you, but your opinion will only matter to yourself.
@erik – WOW, you’ve gotten worse. Did a PS3 mug your mom or something?
@Stickemup
“If anything, the console has a history of good 1st party titles. With more on the way.”
Pfft… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ahem.
“@erik – WOW, you’ve gotten worse. Did a PS3 mug your mom or something?”
No I’m the same now as I’ve always been.
@erik – How old are you? If you don’t mind me asking. I’m 25.
@Stickemup
What is the relevancy of that question?
@erik
It would him to understand why you think and feel the way you do. If you’re above 16-17, more power to you, but right now with the stuff you blather you sound like nothing more than one of the 14-18 year old people who post videos on youtube on how shitty “x” is and how “y” is going to suck. and ignorant opinionated talk about something that you haven’t even played…which basically also makes you sound like just another vapid fanboy.
Too many people are drinking too much haterade lately.
@EscapeTheFate
Hence why I didn’t answer. Like not playing shitty games I try not to blindly wander into loaded/trap questions.
@InfraredChimera
Hey, im just curious which way you where going to defend XBL or SPN?
I honestly dont see how anybody that has purchased a PS3 can defend the SPN. I’m in no way trying to sound like a `gulp` fanboy… but from my experience its a no-brainer that XBL is better. And $4.17 a month is a fair price for any service.
Really the only way I would seriously defend SPN is if Sony decided to give away free headsets to any PS3 owner. And in the end if the majority of PS owners took advantage of that offer. And I hope you also don’t defend “Home”. :S
All this is assuming your defending PSN. Like I said, if thats true, maybe im just missing a big reason to love PSN.
@escapethefate
Here’s a reenactment of erik growing up in his parents house
Eriks Mom: Honey its time for dinner!
erik: What are we having?
Mom: Well its a family recipe for beef stew, passed on down for generations. It has steak nuggets, potatoes, and carrots in a beef stock.
erik: I don’t like it!!!!
Mom: well honey this is the first time I have made this since you where ado…born.
erik: It sucks, the ingredients suck and everything about it sucks!!
Mom: Have you ever had it?
erik: I had some at the Dickplowers on Slutshole Lane., and it was horrible!!!!
Mom: what was in it!?!?!
erik: chicken, noodles, carrots and celery.
Mom: Honey that was chicken noodle soup, and you never had beef stew before.
Erik: That was beef stew because I think it did.
Mom: Son you never had beef stew, so therefore you don’t know if you like it untill you’ve tried it, so really how do you know if you like it or not?
erik: Cause beef stew sucks
Mom: no wonder why your father and I adopted you, because no one else would. Now get your ass to the table and eat your dinner or its a whooping!!!
@erik – I know you think I’m setting you up, but I really am just curious how old you are. I can’t figure out if you’re just young and are jokingly being a fanboy, or really just hate the PS3 for who knows what reason. It’s just a gaming machine dude, it’s not worth getting all worked up about (for months on end).
Just enjoy playing the games you like, and use the time you waste complaining on playing a good game.
How do you come to the conclusion that KZ2 is bad if pretty much every review has been positive? If you don’t like it… then maybe you’re the one who’s gaming taste is a bit off.
@Stickemup
“I can’t figure out if you’re just young and are jokingly being a fanboy, or really just hate the PS3 for who knows what reason. It’s just a gaming machine dude, it’s not worth getting all worked up about (for months on end).”
Yes, those possible “outcomes” are what I was referring to when I said it was a trap question. No matter how I answered you would have a way to turn it around on me. Ergo, I choose not to answer.
“How do you come to the conclusion that KZ2 is bad if pretty much every review has been positive?”
Bad original game
Bad game studio
Bad console
As far as the reviews go, if I recall correctly Uncharted got “positive” reviews also. And that game was bloody horrible.
@InfaredChimera
Cute. Now lets say that someone hates steak, carrots, beef stock, and potatos then it would stand to reason that they could determine, without trying the actual stew, that they don’t like beef stew. Ergo using that information trying said stew would only end in dissapointment.
You on the other hand I can only imagine would eat a stew of feces, semen, and broken glass. Because for some reason that I can’t understand you wouldn’t be able to use your brain to predict the outcome.
@erik.
First of all, yes logically speaking Killzone 2 should suck. Although the reviews are saying otherwise.
Secondly, I don’t know if I will like KZ2 or not, since I haven’t played it. Also I don’t have to try everything in the world to know if I like it or not. Ergo I don’t like seafood, but I will try some once in a while to see if my tastes have changed.
Thirdly, I respect your opinion of Uncharted and CAN SEE HOW you may not like it. David Jaffe (God of War) didn’t care for Bioshock but he can see why people like it.
While you do have common sense (and so do I, but you seem to have a knack for cum and shit, but if thats your thing, who am i to judge)but what you lack it seems is perspective, you seem to be so fixated on flaws in the PS3 and its games, it makes me wonder, do you actually play games to have fun or to accomplish something? If you can’t see past the flaws (and trust me, I’ve played Legendary) in supposed good games, then how do you enjoy them?
And finally, don’t knock it untill you’ve tried it.
@InfaredChimera
“Secondly, I don’t know if I will like KZ2 or not, since I haven’t played it.”
Well that is the major difference between you and I. I DO know that I won’t like it.
“but what you lack it seems is perspective, you seem to be so fixated on flaws in the PS3 and its games,”
Well its pretty hard to not be fixated on its flaws. Its like being fixated on hydrogen in the sun. There really isn’t much else. Maybe I wouldn’t be so fixated on its flaws if it had any strengths at all, of any kind, whatsoever.
@erik
There is no way that you could KNOW for sure that you DO NOT like Killzone 2. Even if you have it set up where every 3 min while you play the game, somebody stabs you in the chest with a knife, there is that .000000001% chance that Killzone 2 would be good enough that the pain is worth it.
Also I would recommend to stop using ridiculous and off topic analogy’s. Reading your posts is almost painful just because of how hard your trying to prove a point that is weakly supported. An example:
““(hard to even judge a game, especially if you haven’t played it, yet some talk shit about up and down).”
Sort of like dunking your junk in battery acid, its not something you need first hand knowledge of to form an opinion of it.”
Explain to me, without using your absurd tactics, how the above is “sort of” related to Killzone 2? Let alone any video game.
@Cold – That was hilarious.
@erik – Like I said, I can understand if you play the game and you think it sucks, but you haven’t played it… It just makes you sound like a raging fanboy.
Do you at least understand that if ALL the reviews for KZ2 are positive, and you’re the only person in the whole world that doesn’t think it’s a good game, then that doesn’t mean it’s a bad game, or that we’re all wrong, it just means YOU don’t like it.
We don’t all wait around for your opinion, if 90% of people (real gamers) find the game to be good, then SORRY but the game doesn’t suck. It just sucks to you.
But all this doesn’t even matter, because YOU HAVEN’T played it and you already have your mind made up! Which makes no sense…..your opinion matters even less in this case, so much as to say that NOBODY cares if you THINK the game sucks without having played it.
It’s awesome how you tip toe around questions, and are so full of shit that you kinda actually believe yourself even if you know what you’re saying makes no sense.
@Stickemup
Although I agree with what your saying. How erik is acting should come to, too much of a surprise.
What your saying is true, but the same goes for Gears of war, and Halo 3. Yet Halo has gotten so much hate from the PS3 fanboy club. Even though it is one of the most popular games in history.
@fifer
Yeah, and they are just talking out of their fanboy mouth. I haven’t played Halo 3, but I’m sure it’s good. Same goes for Gears 2.
Halo3 and gears2 are quite good games. Now let me give a couple indications as to why. Honestly I haven’t played either of those games but here’s my argumentation:
Halo3 and gears2 are made by devs with a very good track record.
Both games have incredibly good predecessors.
Both games are on a console with a stellar line-up of games, shooters in particular.
Ergo, the chance of Gears2 and halo3 being good are good to great. Compare to the kz2 chances please.
@fifer86
“There is no way that you could KNOW for sure that you DO NOT like Killzone 2″
No. I can assure you that here is no possibility of mw liking that tripe.
“Explain to me, without using your absurd tactics, how the above is “sort of” related to Killzone 2? Let alone any video game.”
Okay I’ll dumb it down for you. What I am saying is that sometimes some things are so intrinsically bad that common sense will suffice in lieu of being dumb enough to try it first hand.
@Stickemup
“Like I said, I can understand if you play the game and you think it sucks, but you haven’t played it… It just makes you sound like a raging fanboy.”
Why would I try a game that sucks? That seems like a waste of time to me.
What were you saying about Killzone 2 now?
Check the link.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/killzone2
Games dropping faster than the stockmarket.
@erik
Yea, I understand what point you where making. I’m just saying that it doesn’t really pertain to the video game market as a whole. Sure, I could see somebody trying to justify the price of a video game vs entertainment value. But I have never played a game so bad, that I would rather do one of the ridiculous feats that you compare to playing a specific game. Even Superman 64 has entertainment value to it.
Its almost like you need to play a game that is 100% perfect. If not you start cutting yourself, eating glass, along with other self-mutilation. Just because you would rather do those things then play a game that isn’t as good as “x” game.
@erik & marnick
Is Killzone 2 a bad game, yes or no?
Have you played it, yes or no?
Can a developer make good games and bad games, yes or no?
@Fifer86
“But I have never played a game so bad, that I would rather do one of the ridiculous feats that you compare to playing a specific game. Even Superman 64 has entertainment value to it.”
I don’t know about that. I think hitting my thumb with a hammer and getting through all of the pain all at once would have been better than the slow agony that was Uncharted.
@InfaredChimera
No
No(and never will)
Depends on the developer
er sorry messed that up.
Yes
No(and never will)
Depends on the developer
@erik
So really what your saying is this, “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”
I think that hits the nail on the head. But if I where you I would just take the hammer to my head, of course with the claw side so I could drive the hammer into my skull.
Also I just got done playing the demo and its FUCKING AWESOME!!!
Imagine Gears in first person with a cover mechanic, but highly intense. Definitly just by the demo alone its alot better than the first.
So to the naysayers that haven’t played it but already thinks its shit; download the demo, give it a chance, because what I’ve played, you won’t be disappointed.
@InfaredChimera
“So really what your saying is this, “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”
No. Rather its: If I know the game is going to suck why would I waste my time trying it? Wouldn’t it be much more time effective to just cut out the middle man and just go with what I know the outcome will be anyways?
“So to the naysayers that haven’t played it but already thinks its shit; download the demo, give it a chance, because what I’ve played, you won’t be disappointed.”
Why waste the time/bandwith? I know what the outcome will be.
@erik
You don’t know what the outcome will be if you play the game, sure you think you know but you don’t.
Wouldn’t validation of your point of view would enough to support your arguement, hell a high school debate team does more research than you do on topics they know nothing about.
I really don’t see any reason to play this “game”. My point of view is that the game sucks enough that it isn’t worth playing. If I play it then my point of view would be moot as I would have played it. So the only way for it to “suck so much its not worth playing” is to not play it now isn’t it?
@InfaredChimera
Tell me. Would you feel the need to play this game to tell whether or not it sucks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1zWEhgrLs
Is Killzone 2 a bad game, yes or no? YES
Have you played it, yes or no? NO
Can a developer make good games and bad games, yes or no? complicated question. Usually it’s a no. Good companies make good games, bad companies usually don’t make good games. Besides it’s more likely for a good company to make a bad game than for a bad company to make a good game.
@erik
I actually bought because it was so glitchy and bad, and its like watching a car crash.
@marnick
Since you haven’t played it then its clear you have no idea what your talking about or your UNREASONABLE LIKE ERIK.
@InfaredChimera
So I can assume that your interest in Killzone 2 is for similar reasons then?
As I keep trying to inform you, I do have a sense of the game. I’ve been gaming for over 20 years now. I’m pretty sure I can spot a bad game when I see one.
@erik
Man, I would say its very entertaining to watch you lay down a minefield, yet in the end your stuck in the middle and forgot where the mines where.
First off in order to say “suck so much its not worth playing”, you actually would have to play the game. For instance, if I went to go see a movie, and it was so bad i would literally give it .1 out of 100. And a friend of mine was to ask “You think i should go see “x” movie?” I would have ground to stand on, and say “it sucked so much its not even worth seeing.” Now without seeing the movie the only way I could honestly say something “sucked so bad”, is if there was widespread supporting information that could give you the claim in saying something is “terrible” without ever experiencing it. Such as reviews. So without this outside knowledge, and supporting information, realistically all i could say is “It just doesn’t look like a good movie to me”, or “In my opinion it just doesn’t look good”.
So technically what your trying to say is ” it sucked so bad I’ve never played it”. Which just sounds silly. Your basically giving a review on a product that you have never touched. All you have done is look at it. For instance, if i was Car shopping and chose to try and buy “x” car. And there was widespread reviews and awards to “y” car company and “x” car. There is plenty of supporting information on why i should buy “x” car. Now if at the time I was to buy the car some person said “man these cars suck so bad, there not even worth driving, let alone buying.” That phrase would sure catch my attention. But when i confront this person and all they say is “yea, “X” car sucks. I’ve been in the automotive industry for over 20 years, I can pick out a bad car when i see one. And Besides “y” car company used to make terrible cars, so why should this one be any better?” And if i was to ask if they ever drove “x” car, or owned one. And there response was “no”. And then if i was to ask about the awards and good reviews the car company and “x” car have been getting, and all the person does it avoid the question. I would just think there a raging fanboy of a different car company. And instantly disregard any information, or standing that they have.
Now to move on. The next bear trap you put down, and of course inevitably stepped in, was your post about the “review”.
“Tell me. Would you feel the need to play this game to tell whether or not it sucks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB1zWEhgrLs”
And my response is: Of course not. That video is a clear 2:43 second review that showcases how terrible the game “Big Rigs” is. And does it in a very blunt, “don’t buy this game manner”. Not only that but at the end they even review it with a “1 Abysmal”. So the review Alex Navarro does a great job in backing up his review. And in fact sways me from buying this game.
But thats just it, linking that video in every way
^^^^ Is hurting your standpoint then helping it. Every major review that has come in so far has averaged a 93 out of 100 on Killzone 2. So using the same logic that your trying to “get us to use” with the video. You yourself would and should, come to the conclusion that Killzone 2 should be a “great game”. But that’s just it, your not. Your using a different set of logic for your standing on Killzone 2. And have yet to make any claim as to why it should be good or bad.
Your standpoint on this game would have held up a few weeks ago. As I didn’t have high hopes for this game for the same reasons you do. Bad developer history, first game was “mediocre at best”, and just didn’t have a good vibe from it. So I wasn’t going to pre-order it regardless of the hype until it got reviewed.
But that standpoint changed as soon as the reviews started coming in. Now reviews are not everything, but they are a good indication. I was disappointed with Resistance and Uncharted. But enjoyed Resistance 2 allot. Not enough to put it over Halo, but it was a very enjoyable game.
The only ground that i still have in saying “Killzone 2 is a disappointment”, is how they did cop out of a few features. Not having co-op is huge. There is no reason they should not have had it. Killzone 2 has been in development longer then Gears of War, Halo, and just about every major fps, yet it fails to deliver in features. So realistically when i play this game, and even if the campaign and multi-player where “perfect” i would easily dock 15% just because of the lack of features.
@marnick
So having been gaming over 20 years qualifies you (or even I) a ability to shit all over a game that has your interest without actually having to play it.
I’m not saying, “you have to go out and buy it” but give it a try when its released. If you don’t like what you’ve played, thats cool, that’s your opinion and then I respect that.
^^^
“So having been gaming over 20 years qualifies you (or even I) a ability to shit all over a game that has your attention without actually having to play it.”
@Fifer86
So from your wall of text you are saying that I should play a game that is so bad its not worth playing? Um, how the fuck does that make an ounce of sense?
@Fifer86
But what I want to know is how you can get off saying that you can form an opinion of Big Rigs without playing it, but I have to torture myself with Killzone 2 by playing it first hand.
@erik
No, from the wall of text I’m chalenging your ability to make any claims about the quality of gameplay in Killzone 2. Using your logic all the fallowing claims are without a doubt true, and to the “t”.
“any new halo game is so bad its not worth playing”
“any new Gears of War game is so bad its not worth playing”
“any new PC, 360, Wii, and PS3 game are all so bad, they are not worth playing.”
So in that case, erik, you better just give up gaming, because i just have told the future about the PC, 360, Wii and PS3. So you better just keep to what you have now.
And no, I advise you don’t even try to battle your own skewed logic. It will just make you fall down farther into your rabbit whole. And just for good measure, I will save you time in responding.
erik Says:
@Fifer86
Umm, what more do you need to know other then the fact that’s its called Killzone 2… of course its so bad its not worth playing…
And by the way, how do you know all that information about the future of the consoles? Your logic is there, but i just don’t understand how you can tell the future?
Could you at least tell me there is a future for the next Xbox system?
@Fifer86
Still you have not given me one good reason to torture myself with Killzone 2. I’m waiting.
@erik
fiffer86 (the way I read it) didn’t play Big Rigs, but due to the video review of it being “1 Abysmal” that discouraged him from playing the game. No he didn’t play the game but SWAYED from buying or playing it in the first place, but he never did comment on how shitty it is and from what I gather hasen’t ever played it at all.
Fuck here I go
YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED IT, YOU DON’T HAVE ANY GODDAMN CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AT ALL. NO YOU DON’T HAVE TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME, BUT YOU CAN’T TALK SHIT (DESPITE POSITIVE REVIEWS) ABOUT SOMETHING
YOU HAVEN’T FUCKING PLAYED!!!
SO SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOUR WRONG YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
@fiffer86
You seem pretty cool add me if you want on
Xbl- InfraredChimera
PSN- InfraredChimera
@InfaredChimera
“fiffer86 (the way I read it) didn’t play Big Rigs, but due to the video review of it being “1 Abysmal” that discouraged him from playing the game.”
And I’ve seen reviews, both video and printed, of Killzone 2. My opinion has NOT changed. Nor will it change. Yeah sorry that I’m not going to join in the PS3 fanboy club with you Stickemup, Hans, Fifer and whoever the fuck else. So sorry about that.
And what I am trying to say, which you are either too oblivious or unwilling to understand is that if playing the game will not change my opinion of said game, why the fuck should I play it?
@erik
You DON’T HAVE TO PLAY IT, THATS YOUR CHOICE but you can’t talk shit about A GAME YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED.
You can CHOOSE
And no I’m not a “Ps3, 360, or Wii Fanboy” if thats what your willing to believe thats your opinion, but my why of thinking about “don’t knock untill you’ve tried it” goes across all platforms.
I “talk shit” about many things I have not personally experienced. I’ve always said that immolation would be a very suck way to die, despite the fact I’ve not undergone it myself.
But I see here that I was in error in having some very basic respect for people in expecting them to understand that common sense is a valid substitute for first hand experience in many circumstances. Okay, you want it dumb, I’ll lay it down dumb for you. Once the Killzone 2 demo is made publicly available to those who were not suckered into preordering the shit mound I will dunk my nuts into that bucket of battery acid and play it. Afterwards THEN I will say that it, lo and behold, sucks.
Wow, those 2 points make all the difference. If only Halo 3 had TWO MORE POINTS. Alas!
Common sense, infrared, I fear you lack it. Intuition is also very useful as is rational dedution. These are all human skills that allow us to prevent bad things to happen to us. These skills tell me not to have killzone come near to me. I trust my instinct on this one.
@marnick
So being fair about a game I haven’t played, and honestly saying I don’t know if its going to be good or not, is lacking intuition and common sense?
To me thats being more than reasonable, sure I do know the history of the series and its pretty mediocre, but I can be skeptical of it (even after playing the demo, since I’m thinking its not final code), but I can’t talk shit about it either.
But with you using (or say) that rational deduction, (FOR EXAMPLE) I can say Halo Wars will not work on the 360 because generally RTS’s don’t work on a console. But with everything I have heard and from previews, it sounds like Ensemble (RIP) has nailed the control scheme and thats very fortunate since I haven’t been able to play the many good RTS’s that have come out recently.
While I haven’t played Halo Wars, I didn’t shit all over it without actually playing it. While I am interested in the game on the same level as KZ2, I will wait untill I’ve actually played the game to determine if I like it or not.
Now with that being said, I have CHOOSEN NOT to play a game with Barbie in it for a very logical reason, there not geared towards a 29 year old male. Sure the reviews of it are pretty bad, and so using common sense it tells me to STAY AWAY from it, and I did exactly that, but I didn’t shit all over it either (you see how that works, if you don’t like it then don’t talk about it unless someone asks your opinion about it).
So what I’m gathering is that being someone that does research, plays the demo, and holds there opinion about a game untill they’ve actually played the final product (on something that interests them)is being a common senseless irrational douchbag?
^^^^(you see how that works, if you know you won’t like it then don’t talk about it unless someone asks your opinion about it unless you have first hand experience about it, otherwise silence is golden or a simple “I don’t know if its good or not” will suffice).
@InfaredChimera
“I can say Halo Wars will not work on the 360 because generally RTS’s don’t work on a console.”
Well combine that with the fact that the Halo franchise just sucks. Yeah, I think its a pretty safe bet to say that Halo Wars will suck some serious ass.
“Now with that being said, I have CHOOSEN NOT to play a game with Barbie in it for a very logical reason, there not geared towards a 29 year old male.”
And how do you know that Killzone 2 is geared at someone such as myself? At least I HOPE that it isn’t geared towards someone such as myself. Sweet hell I would hope.
@erik
Sorry I seem to have missed 2 posts of yours.
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erik Says:
February 6th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
@Fifer86
But what I want to know is how you can get off saying that you can form an opinion of Big Rigs without playing it, but I have to torture myself with Killzone 2 by playing it first hand.
Well I have never said you can’t form an opinion about a game without playing it. And I never tried swaying your opinion on Killzone 2. All I have asked is for what reason do you make the claims that you do about killzone 2, when all the press coverage is +.
The reason I can have an opinion about Big Rigs is because I have seen plenty of – reviews, and press coverage about the game. Now does this mean that if I picked up the game i would indeed hate it? Of course not. But if I was to say that Big Rigs was in fact amazing, I would have explaining to do. Why? because it goes against the common knowledge about the game. So my friends of course would be interested in why I think such a poorly reviewed game, is amazing to me.
And in Similar fashion, that’s why I question why you hate Resistance 2 so much. Because your bashing/hating a game that the general census is acclaiming.
@Fifer86
Still you have not given me one good reason to torture myself with Killzone 2. I’m waiting.
And that was not my intention. I could care less if you play the game.
But I do want to know what makes you hate it so much. To the point where you would consider playing the game “torture.” The only thing that comes to my mind is that you despise all FPS and violence. And therefor hate all FPS. But if that was the case, I would question why you would be posting in a topic that is all about a new FPS.
And anytime i mentioned you playing the game, was just to support the idea that you really cant “know” exactly about a movie/game without playing it. Especially when your opinion is going against popular opinion.
If you want to, look at it this way. Im still undecided about Killzone 2. But all mass media is pointing in the direction of me buying it. But your one of the few that have a different opinion, that could ultimately sway me from making the purchase. So I’m curious what things make it not worth playing, to the extent that you don’t even want to get close to it, let alone waste any time on a demo.
Right, well I did answer you Fifer. But you see the moderation has ate my last two attempts. So I’ll make it brief and hopefully it goes through.
The reason I for not liking Killzone 2 is: A console I don’t care for + a mediocre original game + a lackluster game studio is enough to ward me away.
As for your assumption that I dislike FPS or violence. I have a respectable amount of FPS games. In fact I’m playing Fallout 3 as I type this.
@Erik – grow up you little fucknut.
Nobody ever tried to tell you you MUST play Killzone 2. Nobody gives a fuck what you do, or what you play. Nobody gives a fuck about how long you’ve been playing games, or how good you are at magically telling a good game from a bad one.
I certainly don’t give a fuck for any of it. Neither do I give a fuck for Killzone 2. I’ve never played it. Hell, I haven’t even played on a PS3. To be quite frank, I think you’re a fucking idiot. I don’t give a fuck what you think of that statement. I also don’t give a fuck for whether you think I’m an idiot.
Anyway, what I came here to say was you, Sir, are a twat. I understand you not giving a fuck for Killzone 2, in the same way I don’t. What I can’t quite understand, however, is that you hate on it so fucking much. Have you ever played it? Have you even read any of the fucking reviews?
So often you’ve quoted the metacritic scores of other PS3 games when supporting your argument that the PS3 is like dipping your crown jewels in battery acid, and yet you continue to shout shit about a game that’s scored over 90% on there.
Man the fuck up. Killzone 2 is going down well. Just fucking accept it and move on. In this big wide world, nobody gives a fuck for your opinion. Nobody gives a fuck for your decades of gaming. Nobody gives a fuck if you have a foot long cock, or if you drive a Bugatti Veyron, or have a house the size of a small African country. Fuck, people wouldn’t even care if you RULED a small African country.
Unless your only goal here is to flame (in which case you’re as bad as the authors here) I suggest you either grow some fucking stones, or shut the fuck up with your incessant ragging on everything the PS3 stands for.
It’s not a total fail. You tell me how I could watch Blu-ray movies on my 360, or run Folding@Home. Fuck, if you can tell me it’s possible to run Linux on the 360 without doing horrible things to it I’ll applaud you.
As it stands though, you’re talking shit about a game that is apparently very, very fucking good.
@Aranthos
“Nobody ever tried to tell you you MUST play Killzone 2. Nobody gives a fuck what you do, or what you play. Nobody gives a fuck about how long you’ve been playing games, or how good you are at magically telling a good game from a bad one.”
For not caring what I do you sure did write a pretty long mouth-frothing rant there. Did you truly not care what I thought or did you wouldn’t have wasted your time with your above verbal seizure.
“. What I can’t quite understand, however, is that you hate on it so fucking much. Have you ever played it? Have you even read any of the fucking reviews?”
No I’ve not played it. The only reason I would play it is if I came down with some sick form of masochism. What reason would I have to play such a terrible game?
As for the reviews, yes I’ve seen them. But they have not swayed my opinion in the slightest. Other shit games, such as Uncharted, received a similar score. So really I’ve learned to put about zero stock into any reviews. I’ve learned to take them with a really fucking major grain of salt.
“So often you’ve quoted the metacritic scores of other PS3 games when supporting your argument that the PS3 is like dipping your crown jewels in battery acid, and yet you continue to shout shit about a game that’s scored over 90% on there.”
And ultimately I don’t give a shit about the metacritic scores. One of the games I mentioned were torture like nuts in acid was Uncharted. And that game scored an 88%. I really wish I could unplay that game. Now taking into account that I loathe that game why would I give a damn at all about the metacritic score?
“Unless your only goal here is to flame (in which case you’re as bad as the authors here) I suggest you either grow some fucking stones, or shut the fuck up with your incessant ragging on everything the PS3 stands for.”
How about, no? Really I don’t see any good reason to stop “ragging on everything the PS3 stands for.” After solely supporting their systems for two system generations the PS3 is a really big insult. People SHOULD be hard on the PS3. I have a lot of hope for the PS4 whenever that would be released. But if people act as if there is no issue then nothing will be happen, and Sony will roll out yet another system inferior to the PS2.
“It’s not a total fail. You tell me how I could watch Blu-ray movies on my 360, or run Folding@Home. Fuck, if you can tell me it’s possible to run Linux on the 360 without doing horrible things to it I’ll applaud you.”
And all of that contributes to my biggest beef with the PS3. Its a feature bloated and overpriced mess. I don’t give a shit about any of that. And I’m pissed that Sony in their arrogance is putting so much focus on making it some multimedia nightmare and forgot everything that made their previous systems so good.
But since you and fifer and infaredchimera are so rabidly opposed to deductive reasoning trumping first hand experience, I will torture myself with playing the demo and THEN afterward say the game sucks. And that will pretty much take all of the wind out of the sails of you peoples’ arguments.
@erik
Actually you slide under inductive reasoning more than deductive reasoning.
Example: Budweiser Beer sucks, which means all Anheuser-Busch beers suck, therfore all american beers suck. Which is what your method of reasoning is and there is nothing wrong with it, besides that the conclusion has to be proven.
Deductive is almost the same method of thinking, but the conclusion comes by the means of a logical end. Therefore the end is grounded in fact;
IE: Budweiser beer sucks, but not all Anheuser-Busch beers suck, therefore Rolling Rock is good. So the method of reasoning in my head is that while I don’t care for bud and the makers for it, but Rolling rock is a good beer.
So while I don’t like Bud and alot of the beers from Anheuser-Busch, they do put out Rolling Rock which I like.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/killzone2?q=killzone%202
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Erik – as I said I don’t care a damn for whether you play it or not. All we think is wrong here is you’re slamming it without having played it. We’re not saying play it, we’re saying shut the fuck up and either stop slamming it.
However, this isn’t to say you’re not allowed to play it. Feel free to go either way.
Personally I find it somewhat amusing that you chose to dip your testes in battery acid, rather than just clamming up.
Ah well, at least we’ll have some informed hatred in here once you’re done.
@Aranthos
“All we think is wrong here is you’re slamming it without having played it.”
And I think that its amusing that the people here think that everything needs to be experienced first hand and deduction and intuition are bad words.
InfaredChimera: “Oh look a red bus. I think I’m gonna see what happens if I throw myself under its tires. Last time I threw myself under the tires of a bus I was in a wheel chair for five years. But that bus was blue. I have no way of knowing what will happen with a red bus!”
@erik
Well i wouldn’t say I’m rabidly opposed to deductive/inductive reasoning. And there are plenty of reasons not to get this game. However, I do feel very strongly that you need to play a game, to really know if you enjoy/hate it. Not saying you cant have an opinion before hand, but that when it comes down to gameplay, you should give it a shot before making a very strong claim. There have been plenty of games that surprised me when it comes to gameplay(both for the best and the worst). An example of this is Little Big Planet. I though that it was going to be terrible (as far as gameplay goes). But when i picked it up and played it, I actually enjoyed it quite a bit.
With me I believe Killzone 2 will be an enjoyable experience. And have good gameplay. However the reasons why im in the “gray” about this title are:
1) Lack of Co-op
2) Lack of local multiplayer
3) THis game has been in production for many many years, and is by far the most hyped and anticipated game on the PS3, yet I cant help but feel that it has been a cop out.
4) Campaign length/re-playability
5) No inovation
6) just another run of the mill shooter, except beautiful (except I’ve never bought a game yet just because of graphics… I think the idea is silly)
Now of course these are all based on reviews. And they may not all be factual. But with Killzone 2 I was looking forward to a monumental game on all systems, not just the PS3. Not just another Halo/Call of Duty/Gears of War/Half-Life.
It also comes down to $. Do i want to fork out the money for this game along with SFIV, Resident Evil 5, Halo Wars, and FEAR 2. And I belive im missing a few other titles… like Dawn of War II
Just don’t know yet :S
@fiffer86
“I do feel very strongly that you need to play a game, to really know if you enjoy/hate it.”
And I disagree. And I really can’t think of any instance where my impression before playing a game changed after I played it. Now if I don’t have any impression about a game before playing it THEN trying a demo or renting it is invaluable for forming an opinion. But if I have my opinion formed before playing it it hasn’t lead me wrong yet.
Now sure I have made mistakes and forcibly ignored my own deductive reasoning. Such mistakes lead me to rent Uncharted and buy Resistance and F.E.A.R. So I can’t claim perfection. But in all of those circumstances HAD I paid attention to what my gut was telling me and not this positive, upbeat, InfaredChimera “You don’t know until you give it an honest shot!” garbage then I would have not harmed myself by playing such tripe.
Ok, Erik. You’re obviously not quite understanding any of us.
You not liking the game is fine. You not wanting to play the game is fine. You knowing you don’t wish to play it is fine.
The issue is you’re going around telling everyone that it is, inarguably, crap. This is what normal people consider to be wrong.
If you were to say “I don’t want to play this game, I don’t think I’d enjoy it” as opposed to “This game is going to be absoutely shit, I can’t see why ANYBODY with a brain would want to play it”, we’d all be happy. I understand that you aren’t interested. Equally, I’m not interested in the prospect of jumping in front of moving buses, or connecting my nipples to a 240v mains supply. However, to compare a videogame (which can be viewed as fun, boring or downright horrible from person to person) to actions that may prove lethal to EVERYONE is simply daft.
There are people who enjoy KZ2, in the same way as there are people who enjoy Pippa Funnel games, and people who enjoy whips and chains.
However, I have doubts as to whether there is a single person on this planet (at least someone whose psyche is intact) who would love to have 240v through their tits, or a bus through their face, or battery acid on their junk.
Speaking of battery acid to the junk, it’s not actually that bad. I got pissed off while fitting a battery in someone’s car and threw the old one out of the engine bay with significant force. The casing split. Bloody great huge thing it was, so I had to cradle it like a baby as I took it to the recycling bin. It leaked all over me. My uniform is still in one piece, and my skin wasn’t gone by morning. It did tingle slightly though.
Back on topic – nobody gives a fuck what you think of KZ2. Just don’t go specifically telling people that it has no redeeming features whatsoever. That’s opinion. We’re all entitled to one, but not many of us give a fuck for other peoples’.
By the way, maybe if you were saying Pippa Funnel games were bollocks we’d all rally behind you and hail you King of Deductive Reasoning. As it stands though, you’re trying to say absolutely nobody would be able to find ANY good points whatsoever about KZ2, when this is quite obviously not the case.
Learn2sense
@Aranthos
“I don’t want to play this game, I don’t think I’d enjoy it” as opposed to “This game is going to be absoutely shit, I can’t see why ANYBODY with a brain would want to play it”, we’d all be happy.”
That pretty much seems to be the same sentence really. Just spoken in a more “diplomatic” way. Note: I don’t do diplomacy.
“However, to compare a videogame (which can be viewed as fun, boring or downright horrible from person to person) to actions that may prove lethal to EVERYONE is simply daft.”
I don’t know. I mean maybe not lethal, but a quick smack to my thumb with a hammer that would hurt for a few minutes and be gone would have saved me a lot of time on the amount of time and anguish I put into playing Uncharted.
“Speaking of battery acid to the junk, it’s not actually that bad. I got pissed off while fitting a battery in someone’s car and threw the old one out of the engine bay with significant force. The casing split. Bloody great huge thing it was, so I had to cradle it like a baby as I took it to the recycling bin. It leaked all over me. My uniform is still in one piece, and my skin wasn’t gone by morning. It did tingle slightly though.”
Fine then, hydrofluoric acid to the nuts then.
“Back on topic – nobody gives a fuck what you think of KZ2. Just don’t go specifically telling people that it has no redeeming features whatsoever. That’s opinion. We’re all entitled to one, but not many of us give a fuck for other peoples’.”
And I don’t give a fuck about you not giving a fuck about my opinions. I also don’t give a fuck about your opinion that I should “shut up” either. Funny how opinions work.
“By the way, maybe if you were saying Pippa Funnel games were bollocks we’d all rally behind you and hail you King of Deductive Reasoning. As it stands though, you’re trying to say absolutely nobody would be able to find ANY good points whatsoever about KZ2, when this is quite obviously not the case.”
1) What the fuck is Pippa Funnel games?
2) What good points could there possibly be found in that failed graphics demonstration? A shit company made a sequel to one of their shit games for the shittiest console.
@aranthos
I tried to use simple logic with erik, even to see it his way, but there is no reasoning with a fool.
@erik
Can you actually rent or buy a game that looks fun to you, or do you have too reason with yourself to play a game that looks fun?
Onechanbara looks fun to me, so I will rent it. It could be shit, I don’t know untill but it looks fun and thats all that matters.
And if you like a mix of Call of Duty and Gears of War, then KZ2 seems like its going to be a good game (and judging by the reviews, it is).
@InfaredChimera
“Can you actually rent or buy a game that looks fun to you, or do you have too reason with yourself to play a game that looks fun?”
Of course I rent games that are fun. Because they do turn out to be fun. Any games I rent or buy that I know will be crap are crap.
To InfraredChimera:
Please don’t buy Eat Lead!
Remember x-com: Interceptor? Well, the guy who made that abomination was Dave Ellis, and now he’s making Eat Lead! From What I saw of the game, he hasn’t changed a bit. His jokes are as awful as ever!
To Everyone:
Please, Please,PLEASE do *NOT* buy Eat Lead!
If you truly love video games, and believe it can become art, then please do *not* buy Eat Lead. At least wait a year before doing so.
To erik:
This also goes for you too. As a gamer, I’m asking you to not buy it.
To Aranthos:
Yes, you too–Please Don’t Buy it!
@zoar
I wasn’t even planning on it, but the whole concept of it is pretty interesting. I’ll just wait untill the summer to check it out.
To InfraredChimera:
A very Darth Vader NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Please just rent the Fucking thing before you even think of buying that shit.
Or buy a *used* copy.
Or buy Sins of a Solar Empire,
Or Empire: Total War,
Or Cryostasis: Sleep of Reason,
Or Section 8. But pleasssse ***DON’T*** buy that game!!!!!
Oh, and Red Faction: Guerrilla!!! Buy that game before you even think of doing anything else.
@zoar
I wasn’t planning on buying it at all. Rent, yes. Buy, no.
I do actually want to play Red Faction: Guerilla, since I did enjoy the first two.
@Zoar
I wasn’t planning on buying Eat Lead. Mostly due to the fact that I’ve never even heard about it until, well, you mentioned it.
Well, thank you, both of you!
Oh, and did anyone here ever heard of Moonbase Commander? It’s a good game.
@Zoar
Do you subscribe to “Obscure ass games monthly” or something?
@erik
Its one of those PC games that are just in jewel case and sells for 9.99. Otherwise it was IGNs 2002 “Game that Noone is Playing but Should Award”. I bet trying to find a copy can be quite hard, but who knows.
Like arena.wars? I comletely liked that game but in the end it didn’t have the critical mass of users
Sonics Ultimate Genesis Collection= WIN.
Already fallen to 91% on Metacritic.
If the first wave of reviews weren’t exclusive, this might be in the 89%s.
This Game is the best.. I love it people!!!